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OK, tonight I had the conditions I have been waiting for. It has been dry for two days and it just cooled off this afternoon and the ground froze hard like concrete, but the top 1/2" of the soil is bone dry. The trails are like (rough) slickrock. Traction on frozen dirt with Nokian Freddies studded tires is endless, and the lumps of dirt are glued in place and unyielding. No Vegas/Bootleg ballbearing pea gravel tonight, folks. Just an epic, rock-hard, scary-fast scream across the mountaintop tundra and down through the forest on the trails I have built behind town.

I am still breaking the Freddies in and I am supposed to be putting gentle miles on them until the studs really get seated, but I couldn't help myself. Our trails rarely get this good, so I blasted down the mountain like I was being chased by the Ellsworth legal team. :eek:

Anyway, what can I say? Under acceleration, braking, coasting, you name it, the rear end stays active. I'm not even going to couch it in some limp-wristed "as far as I could tell" and "ymmv". The rear end performed exactly as it always has. Period. The ground was serving up traction in spades, frozen hummocks by the truckload, and the TNT rear end was dishing out the compliance to match, braking or not. Godamnfreakingbigassed fun ride tonight. I would not hesitate for even one second sending my HL rear end back to Turner and keeping the TNT instead. In fact I may just do just that.

The bad news? I lost a stud off the rear. Actually I'm amazed it was only one. I popped a new one in from the baggie of spares I have on hand. :)
 
tscheezy said:
OK, tonight I had the conditions I have been waiting for. It has been dry for two days and it just cooled off this afternoon and the ground froze hard like concrete, but the top 1/2" of the soil is bone dry. The trails are like (rough) slickrock. Traction on frozen dirt with Nokian Freddies studded tires is endless, and the lumps of dirt are glued in place and unyielding. No Vegas/Bootleg ballbearing pea gravel tonight, folks. Just an epic, rock-hard, scary-fast scream across the mountaintop tundra and down through the forest on the trails I have built behind town.

I am still breaking the Freddies in and I am supposed to be putting gentle miles on them until the studs really get seated, but I couldn't help myself. Our trails rarely get this good, so I blasted down the mountain like I was being chased by the Ellsworth legal team. :eek:

Anyway, what can I say? Under acceleration, braking, coasting, you name it, the rear end stays active. I'm not even going to couch it in some limp-wristed "as far as I could tell" and "ymmv". The rear end performed exactly as it always has. Period. The ground was serving up traction in spades, frozen hummocks by the truckload, and the TNT rear end was dishing out the compliance to match, braking or not. Godamnfreakingbigassed fun ride tonight. I would not hesitate for even one second sending my HL rear end back to Turner and keeping the TNT instead. In fact I may just do just that.

The bad news? I lost a stud off the rear. Actually I'm amazed it was only one. I popped a new one in from the baggie of spares I have on hand. :)
Yeah, right...whatever cheeseball.

This post is useless without some chart or graph or mockup to substantiate your testing.

Try again, amigo.

"so I blasted down the mountain like I was being chased by the Ellsworth legal team." -CLASSIC!
 
Turner homers are like Jim Jones followers

bikerx40 said:
Ts,
I'm assuming that on the trail you were unable to notice the subtle compression under braking that you had described earlier on pavement?
I'm becoming one I must admit :)

Tscheezy and the boys would follow the Big T if he said balsa wood is the best material for making bikes. Oh, I guess Cafee has already done that. The TNT thing does change the action of the suspension but does it make a huge difference. Maybe not. We were all douped by the HL marketing conspiracy. I guess next we shall find out that Iraq really never had weapons of mass destruction. I can't trust anything anymore. My cynicism is deepening. Thanks, DT.

Jaybo
 
bikerx40 said:
I'm assuming that on the trail you were unable to notice the subtle compression under braking that you had described earlier on pavement?
Sort of. It was the lack of extension I noticed on the TNT (as opposed to compression, which was not evident, or extension, which the HL exhibited). Even on the pavement I couldn't feel the lack of extension on the TNT just like I was not really cognizant of the presence of extension with the HL. Did everyone b!tch about their rear ends extending before TNT? Once you add front braking and the associated fork dive, I can't see how a rider could feel the difference in the rear as it does not seem to affect suspension movement, only the sag point subtley. I had to look down and experience it with my eyeballs.

Sorry, but I'm NOT going to stare at the rear end while blazing through tight trees to give visual feedback from the trail. :D
 
Jaybo said:
I'm becoming one I must admit :)

Tscheezy and the boys would follow the Big T if he said balsa wood is the best material for making bikes.
Whatever. I'm more curious than anything. I'm not interested for the purpose of running out and buying a TNT Turner. In fact, my winter project doesn't even contain DT's name. Go fish.
 
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