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nathan_van

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Hello everyone,

Due to the excessive snow in our area, the only place I can ride is my driveway, so I decided to learn some tricks and make the most out of snowed trails. One I am having a really difficult time nailing is the endo pivot. I am very comfortable getting up on the front end and am also comfortable using the front brake to bring myself down. However, when I try to do the pivot, I can never get more than a 90-degree turn. My goal is to be able to do a full 180. I have looked up tutorials on YouTube but none of them really seem to help.

A big question I have is what to do with my front wheel when I am in the pivot. I usually find myself twisting it around to get to 90, but if I don't twist it I can't even rotate. I know you need to like throw your hips into it but I just don't get it.

Any help would be appreciated :)
 
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nathan_van said:
Hello everyone,

Due to the excessive snow in our area, the only place I can ride is my driveway, so I decided to learn some tricks and make the most out of snowed trails. One I am having a really difficult time nailing is the endo pivot. I am very comfortable getting up on the front end and am also comfortable using the front brake to bring myself down. However, when I try to do the pivot, I can never get more than a 90-degree turn. My goal is to be able to do a full 180. I have looked up tutorials on YouTube but none of them really seem to help.

A big question I have is what to do with my front wheel when I am in the pivot. I usually find myself twisting it around to get to 90, but if I don't twist it I can't even rotate. I know you need to like throw your hips into it but I just don't get it.

Any help would be appreciated :)
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I never mastered this but had a friend who was quite good at it. He kept his front tire stationary and planted in the direction of travel and pivoted his body with the bike. Once the rear tire landed he pedaled out in the direction his body was pointed by turning the bars in that direction. Pretty sure he only did 90° turns as well though, 180°? So you want to return the way you came from. :lol::eek:ut:
 
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The ultimate goal is to do a 180 pivot then fakie out of it and then bring the front end around. How do you plan the front wheel? Did he have a friend or somebody hold the front wheel or have some special way of keeping his front wheel locked while he did the movement?
 
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nathan_van said:
The ultimate goal is to do a 180 pivot then fakie out of it and then bring the front end around. How do you plan the front wheel? Did he have a friend or somebody hold the front wheel or have some special way of keeping his front wheel locked while he did the movement?
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Lol, no, his front brake did that job. Cramming it on hard, rear end up and the rest is body english to pivot. Standing and using your weight distribution to get the rear end up but not so far forward as to do an endo. Locking your knees together to the bike helps from what I remember.
 
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DIRTJUNKIE said:
Lol, no, his front brake did that job. Cramming it on hard, rear end up and the rest is body english to pivot. Standing and using your weight distribution to get the rear end up but not so far forward as to do an endo. Locking your knees together to the bike helps from what I remember.
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So I think I understand what I am doing. When I turn the wheel and smash the brakes, I end up turning the wheel to rotate me, kinda like a whip almost. And when I land, my wheel is turned all funny and I usually fall over once I land.
 
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You may not be reaching the balance point. To get 90 degrees or less you just have to momentarily lift the rear wheel. To get the 180 takes more commitment. You need to reach the pivot point or, like I did on my bmx, sling the rear around really fast. Either way will probably take a bit more speed.
 
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I have. And I just can't seem to swing my hips far enough around to get the full 180
 
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So what do you mean by commitment?
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More speed and/or getting closer to the balance point. When people first start learning this trick it looks more like they are just lifting the rear and setting it down to the side a bit while the front wheel doesn't pivot/turn. They're not actually pivoting as a system. I think you either have to go fast and sling the rear around or as you go slower the closer to the balance point you'll have to be.

 
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Didn't watch the vids, but we've been doing this since we were kids.

As you approach, turn your bars 90 degrees while you lock the front brake.
If you swing 90 degrees, your bars will now be straight.
If you swing 180 degrees, your bars will now be 90 degrees the other way.
It does not take much speed if you are higher/closer to the balance point.

It is a handy way to turn around on a narrow trail.

I never figured out how to do a complete rock walk because I can't seem to get the tire to pivot. Higher tire pressure would help, as would a slight pogo, but even with all that knowledge I still can't do it.

While you're at it, try riding backwards/fakey.


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