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So on Canyon's site they "officially" support that the endurace can fit 700x30's. If you actually email them and ask they say that it will actually fit 700x32's. I had some 700x32's on there last week with plenty of room, so I googled looking to see if anyone was running 700x35's on the endurace. I couldn't find any matches so I bit the bullet and bought some 700x35 gravel king sb. The endurace fits these no problems at all. I actually think I could "maybe" fit 38's. However 35's are plenty good for the gravel here in TX. This is on 20mm inner diameter rims (stans iron crest).

I am loving this bike as I use it for my road bike and wanted to also carry my road fit and feel to the gravel. This bike does it all. It's fine in crits, road races, and gravel. I am seriously tempted to even give it a spin in some cross races this fall :)
 
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Thanks for posting. This is a question that has been on my mind, as I am definitely considering purchasing an Endurace as something that can handle moderate gravel, but the effective maximum tire width is something that has been bothering me.

The rear clearance towards the seattube looks OK in your photo, but the lateral clearances at the chainstays look pretty tight with the 35s - it wouldn't take much mud to build up there. Perhaps wider gravel tires on some 650B wheels might take advantage of the greater chainstay width as you move away from the seattube.
 
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So yeah mud clearance is not an issue for me as I live in TX and typically we don't ride in the mud. Not because we are like gremlins and don't like water, but because lots of our gravel roads are clay. Clay and water = No riding even if you had 100mm of clearance. Also, the areas that are not clay, the mud shedding is really not something I'd worry about. It has enough to clear, and I have a lot more room than I thought I would have. I seriously think I could fit 38's on there. If I did, yes there would be 0 room for anything and it would probably rub the moment I got on the power or any torque. However these 35's on 20mm ID rims are money. I am pretty pumped as the dirt/gravel/Levee's i'll ride will be just fine on these 35's. I was previously riding gravel races with 32's on my CX bike so I will have an even better ride on this bike with 35s.

I know it's not a gravel bike, but that's kind of the point of this post. It totally can be and what I am the most pumped about is being able to keep my exact road position for gravel as I have setup for road. Truly one bike to do it all.

There is plenty of lateral clearance btw.. It's hard to tell from the pics because of the angle of the photo with the phone. I can't squeeze the phone that close to the seat tube.
 
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combfilter said:
So yeah mud clearance is not an issue for me as I live in TX and typically we don't ride in the mud. Not because we are like gremlins and don't like water, but because lots of our gravel roads are clay. Clay and water = No riding even if you had 100mm of clearance. Also, the areas that are not clay, the mud shedding is really not something I'd worry about. It has enough to clear, and I have a lot more room than I thought I would have. I seriously think I could fit 38's on there. If I did, yes there would be 0 room for anything and it would probably rub the moment I got on the power or any torque. However these 35's on 20mm ID rims are money. I am pretty pumped as the dirt/gravel/Levee's i'll ride will be just fine on these 35's. I was previously riding gravel races with 32's on my CX bike so I will have an even better ride on this bike with 35s.

I know it's not a gravel bike, but that's kind of the point of this post. It totally can be and what I am the most pumped about is being able to keep my exact road position for gravel as I have setup for road. Truly one bike to do it all.

There is plenty of lateral clearance btw.. It's hard to tell from the pics because of the angle of the photo with the phone. I can't squeeze the phone that close to the seat tube.
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Sorry to bring it up from waaay back, but if someone still interested in the topic - 38 doesn't clear on the back (i9 AR25 21.5 internal). Front might work, I just don't have 12 mm TA adapters for wheels at the moment.
 
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Does anyone have caliper measurements on the 35s or 38s once mounted?

I have a Canyon Ultimate CF SL w/Zipp 303s FC Tubeless Disc and want to try some gravel tires. Looking to go as big as possible. My road tires, Schwalbe Pro One 25s measure 30 on my Zipps!

So, trying to figure out how big I can go with gravel tires (leaning toward Panaracer Gravelking or Rene Herse Snoqualmie, which are both slicks - I live in SoCal with dry conditions). Thanks for any input! :)
 
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I would be careful. I had a last gen diverge that specialized claimed fit 35s and i had xplor ush on it. Seemed find till i sprinted and the tire ate away at the chain stay. I would go for a rip and see if you can get it to rub... i would personally go to a 32mm GK. Thats what i did on my diverge. Didnt notice any float loss.


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Thanks for the feedback on max-size tubeless gravel tire widths for my Canyon Ultimate!

I just ordered the Vittoria Terreno Dry G2.0, 33 width. Seemed like the best guess solution for dry hard packed gravel roads here in SoCal. Ultimately, determining actual tire width on various rims is trial and error.

This Google Doc was somewhat helpful: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dyYRfhNdFUIbeF1BiQpMyQnhbepy6nxK9DDgd7BhYSk/edit#gid=0

Vittorias cost $43/each on Tax Day sale at BikeTiresDirect, so less $$$ ventured than many of the alternatives.

My current road tires, Schwalbe Pro One's measure 30 on my Zipp 303 FC Tubeless Disc rims, even though the Schwalbes are only 25s. Given this, I didn't think either the Schwalbe G Ones (my first choice) or Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass TC (second choice), both sized 35, would fit my Canyon without rubbing.

I've used Vittoria G+ Corsa and G+ Corsa Speed on various bikes, have loved them, and the reviews on the Terreno Drys are favorable.

When I get the Vittoria Terreno Drys mounted, I'll take photos of my Canyon and post.

Cheers
 
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pafori said:
Thanks for the feedback on max-size tubeless gravel tire widths for my Canyon Ultimate!

I just ordered the Vittoria Terreno Dry G2.0, 33 width. Seemed like the best guess solution for dry hard packed gravel roads here in SoCal. Ultimately, determining actual tire width on various rims is trial and error.

This Google Doc was somewhat helpful: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dyYRfhNdFUIbeF1BiQpMyQnhbepy6nxK9DDgd7BhYSk/edit#gid=0

Vittorias cost $43/each on Tax Day sale at BikeTiresDirect, so less $$$ ventured than many of the alternatives.

My current road tires, Schwalbe Pro One's measure 30 on my Zipp 303 FC Tubeless Disc rims, even though the Schwalbes are only 25s. Given this, I didn't think either the Schwalbe G Ones (my first choice) or Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass TC (second choice), both sized 35, would fit my Canyon without rubbing.

I've used Vittoria G+ Corsa and G+ Corsa Speed on various bikes, have loved them, and the reviews on the Terreno Drys are favorable.

When I get the Vittoria Terreno Drys mounted, I'll take photos of my Canyon and post.

Cheers
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So I mounted the Vittoria Terreno Dry 33s on the stock wheels that came with the Ultimate, a pair of DT Swiss PR 1600s. They measure up at 35.5 @ 47 psi and have just enough room. If I had gone with the Schwalbe G Ones or Rene Herse, sized 35, I think there would be frame rub.
 

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I have the Canyon CF SL disc, which is similar to the Endurace. The Endurace geometry is a little more relaxed with shorter reach and higher stack.

My Ultimate is a flawless bike, climbs well, descends confidently, corners beautifully. Ride quality is very good, you feel the road but not jarring. I did a 93 mile, 11,500 ft ride yesterday and felt comfortable even at day's end.

Love tubeless, low psi, superplush, grippy, low rolling resistance. Running tires that measure 30+. And in case you're wondering about speed, they are fast.

I've had professional fittings before buying the Canyon, so knew the geometry was spot on for me. I swapped out the seat, fizik saddles are torture devices, and Specialized Romin Evos come in 168 width, which is perfect for my sit bones.

I think there's very little to justify the CF SLX over the CF SL. Something like .5 kg, and many of the paired CF SLX wheelsets were heavier than those offered on the CF SLs. I bought the Ultegra version Ultimate CF SL disc ($2700 USD) and used my savings to buy Zipp 303 FCs, which are flat out fast.

Hope this is helpful. Bikes are comfortable first and foremost because they fit.
 
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Thread Title is about the Canyon Endurace, not Ultimate.

pafori comes in and gives tons of non related information about his Canyon Ultimate, not the ENDURACE. He/she tells us all about what parts are on their bike, saddles, fit, what the bike does, types of rides he/she has done, and all sorts of information....About a bike that has nothing to do with the Thread other than it's made by the same company. He/She is obviously excited about their Canyon Ultimate and wants to share this excitement which others. Which is cool, but it's off topic for this thread which is about the Endurace Tire Clearance..

His/her excitement continues in the thread to the point that he/she even quotes themselves and responds to their own post since nobody seems to be as excited about pafori's Ultimate as much as he/she is.

New poster ask a question about the ENDURACE. Once again, pafori chimes in off topic answering the question with information about his/her Ultimate.

Going out on a Limb here Pafori, but perhaps you should create a different thread regarding the Tire Clearance of the ultimate? The internet might find it useful and you probably could get some good internet banter going on back and forth about your bike. It will save me from having to answer direct messages about the Endurace one at a time instead of this thread, as people are now confused which bike we are talking about.

Not trying to sound like a jerk. I really am not. Just getting sick of answering direct messages because your are talking about 35's rubbing and you are not even talking about the same bike confusing people.
 
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After 4 weeks, no one else has responded to 6foot4 regarding his question of how the Endurace rides/feels.

The Ultimate is very similar to the Endurace, as I mentioned before. My version of the Ultimate and the corresponding Endurace, for example, share the exact same fork. One could reasonably say that the Endurace is an Ultimate with a more relaxed geometry.

I was trying to be helpful to 6foot4 by providing details on my experience. As someone who has put 6K miles on my Ultimate in the past year, I have, as they say, put it through the ringer. In light of no one else responding, it seems my comments were more helpful than no response at all.

I found it very difficult to find any information about tire clearance on either the Endurace or Ultimate. And I researched it deeply. Feel free to enlighten me with a more targeted, specific thread. But perhaps I'm wrong in viewing your response as unnecessarily critical.
 
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Can confirm that 35mm works fine. About 5mm clearance all the way around with the i20 mm rims. Had to try to put on some heavy duty 750g commuter tires to stop punctures from glass etc.
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Has anyone tried anything bigger? I live in a city with poor quality pavement, potholes etc. The 35mm has good clearance, and I was looking at the specialized sawtooth 42C which looks perfect[emoji848]

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mykle said:
Has anyone tried anything bigger? I live in a city with poor quality pavement, potholes etc. The 35mm has good clearance, and I was looking at the specialized sawtooth 42C which looks perfect[emoji848]

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There's no way a 42 will fit. It would probably rub the seat tube.
 
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