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If you are showing on Wednesday to find a camp spot, never going to town except to hit the State store, you might not realize what a cluster the place has become, but for the people who live there, it pretty much sucks.
For the last 5 years this is exactly what we've done. In to Moab area on Wednesday and set up camp before getting to Moab down one of the BLM roads. Peaceful bliss, and a 4g connection still. If we are staying longer than 5 days (shitter's full!) we will stay in Moab Valley RV Campground (kids like the pool, we like the hot tub) and stay in the early part of the week. We peace out before the Thursday/Friday Rat Race of SLC/CO in.

I worked for Niner for 10 years, and before that Feedback Sports for 8...so I've probably spent enough time in Moab to qualify for some type of quasi-Native sticker with all of the vacations, events, demo's, Poison Spider dealer visits, ha! But seriously it pains me to see the growth - then again Moab didn't have crap for good trails back in the later 90's early 2000's. The running joke with the locals and guides was when asking "what your favorite trails are" and they would say "Fruita/Grand Junction" - - not so much any more. It was a place to go if you were a Jeeper, or hardcore MTB/Moto rider. Now with the population growth it's a full on vacation destination. My sister lives in Berlin and recently married a German guy, he said it's a top vacation destination for Germans too. Heavy advertisements for Moab as a unique desert destination in Germany right now. It's promoted Internationally!

We try not to hit the state store if we can't help it. Best to over-buy awesome Colorado beer for the cooler than spend $2.50/can + tax on average beer there. Some good people watching in that place for sure though!

I don't think the Moab growth downtown is any worse than Denver metro, TBH. Talk about a $hit show! There is really no good time to drive I-25 down through Denver any more, you used to have several of hours of decent windows. Seems all stop and go these days, and getting worse.
 
HA!
Moab v Denver metro!
We need a new t-shirt to replace the old "New York Paris London Tokyo Moab" one.

How about one related to traffic? "LA Dallas Chicago Denver Moab"?

Anyone disbelieving should go out to Moab on Memorial Day weekend and try to get to Arches from town. Five miles of stop and go gridlock from town to the Arches entrance, then the road through Arches will basically be a 36 mile stop and go traffic jam, 18 miles in each direction, complete with gridlock around the parking areas and cars parked along the road for a mile in each direction at each major area. Fun, fun, fun.

Every time I visit Moab now, I see something I have never seen before. Last weekend it was *both* Lion's Park lots being completely full, and at least fifty people just standing on the pedestrian bridge over the river, staring at the water. The Lion's Park lots were envisioned as a "Trail Hub" where people could meet up with others and carpool to their trailhead. Now, the pedestrian bridge is a tourist attraction. So much for the "Trail Hub". There were cars lining the shoulder of 128 at the bottom of Porcupine Rim because the lots were full, and every campsite all the way out to Dewey was taken. People launching rafts out there had nowhere to park, so they were lining the road on the east side by the end of the old Dewey Bridge.

There was a semi-serious proposal going around to turn the tailings pile area into a gigantic parking lot once the tailings are finally gone. Since Arches is going permit-only next year, they are going to wait and see how that works out. A lot of people think there will be so much uproar over the difficulty in getting permits, that they will have a permit system to drive your vehicle in, but also implement a shuttle bus system for people who didn't or couldn't get a permit. The problem with that is that the vehicles of the people taking the shuttle have to park somewhere, and that means developing a giant parking lot, and a large piece of property like that is hard to find and $$$$$$$ at this point. Since parking is such an issue, initially they are going to have private shuttle services picking up people at their hotels and taking them up there, and they apparently are going to allow an unlimited number of commercial shuttles into Arches. Time to buy a fleet of fifteen passenger vans I guess.
 
My sister lives in Berlin and recently married a German guy, he said it's a top vacation destination for Germans too. Heavy advertisements for Moab as a unique desert destination in Germany right now. It's promoted Internationally!
I am surprised we are only now starting to see Germans in Moab. Since I was growing up going to Zion in the early 90's, the place was always packed with Germans. I loved it since I was raised LDS and the German girls hiking the Narrows braless in a wet t shirt was the most action I got for a long time!

honkinunit, when we camp, we still go into town almost daily. Hard not to get some good food after riding hard. Still don't see the issue, but the more you talk, the more it sounds like you go down there during holidays and show up late and blame everything else for not getting spots. Moab must not be that bad after all if you are still willing to visit during holidays.

Turning the tailing pile into a parking lot would be a great idea if they had an awesome shuttle system to go with it. The fact is, there is nothing that can be done to curb the amount of tourists visiting Moab. The majority come from the Wasatch Front and when every family has at least 5 kids and 4 of those kids will never leave Utah and have at least 5 kids of their own... Well, that is why the Wasatch Front is a polluted circus getting to be beyond repair at this point.
 
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I go to Durango every year and drive thru Cortez going and returning to SoCal. I've only been To Moab once in 2012 and we were there for a week, staying in a nice condo. I have no idea what Moab was like 10 years prior but even in 2012, I have to say my thoughts about the town mirrored what honkinunit has written above. It may not look as shabby as Cortez but to call Moab a "nice clean town" is almost comical. It has it's own dirtbag/meth appearance and that's coming from someone who spent 31 years in law enforcement and worked in the Clairemont area of San Diego which at one time had more meth labs per capita than anyplace on the planet in the late 80's.

From a Slate.com article..."In 1987, 1989, and 1993, Los Angeles Times news stories cited law enforcement officials to bestow the distinction on San Diego. In 1989,the Washington Post generalized its location to all of Southern California."
 
You should go back and check it out again. Definitely not methy, actually quite nice. Just crowded as hell, but if you go in the winter.. Well, no one should go there in the winter. Just stay away during that time. There's like 10 feet of snow and meth everywhere.
 
Lots of hate on Cortez in this thread. My family has been in and around Cortez for quite some time, while it has its issues it is a pretty cool place in reality. The area is incredibly fascinating historically, geologically, archaeologically etc... and has some fantastic Mtn Biking all around it. Yes, at first blush Cortez looks run down and bad, but really there are some great places to be, eat and hang out. Living outside of the town is best. There are some amazing plots of land and really well cared for pretty much anywhere east and north of the City. I would put the Cortez Thai restaurant up against just about Thai place I have been. The Wild Edge Brewery is fantastic albeit a little expensive and the Loungin Lizard is a great spot as well to mention just a few. There is a great rec center and park. Not to mention you are close to Dolores, Telluride, Durango and down into Northern NM.

Oh and with Phils World, Boggy Draw, Sand Canyon and Sagehen all within 30 minutes I would say the riding is phenomenal. The local bike shop and trails organizations are also great with large expansions of Phils and Boggy taking shape in the next year or so.
 
Lots of hate on Cortez in this thread. My family has been in and around Cortez for quite some time, while it has its issues it is a pretty cool place in reality. The area is incredibly fascinating historically, geologically, archaeologically etc... and has some fantastic Mtn Biking all around it. Yes, at first blush Cortez looks run down and bad, but really there are some great places to be, eat and hang out. Living outside of the town is best. There are some amazing plots of land and really well cared for pretty much anywhere east and north of the City. I would put the Cortez Thai restaurant up against just about Thai place I have been. The Wild Edge Brewery is fantastic albeit a little expensive and the Loungin Lizard is a great spot as well to mention just a few. There is a great rec center and park. Not to mention you are close to Dolores, Telluride, Durango and down into Northern NM.

Oh and with Phils World, Boggy Draw, Sand Canyon and Sagehen all within 30 minutes I would say the riding is phenomenal. The local bike shop and trails organizations are also great with large expansions of Phils and Boggy taking shape in the next year or so.
I agree that the entire Cortez/Dolores/Mancos triangle is great. We are shifting our retirement search away from Moab, to Cortez/Dolores/Mancos, Fruita/GJ/Palisade and Montrose/Paonia/Hotchkiss/Crawford.

The big concern with Cortez/Dolores/Mancos and Fruita/GJ/Palisade is the very real possibility you could end up with an oil/gas well in your backyard. I know there is a geologic line between Cortez and Mancos where O&G ends, so we will have to keep it east of that line. Fruita/GJ is more difficult. I don't believe they drill NE of Montrose, but I guess we'll have to look a little closer at that.
 
I think the natural gas line is pretty well established here in Montezuma County. If you had land near it I might be a little worried. Theres's more lines/wells over by Dgo and Bayfield.
I haven't been to Moab for a couple years, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
Truth is the secrets out. I think 4 corners will be booming till the next bust.
 
I think the natural gas line is pretty well established here in Montezuma County. If you had land near it I might be a little worried. Theres's more lines/wells over by Dgo and Bayfield.
I haven't been to Moab for a couple years, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
Truth is the secrets out. I think 4 corners will be booming till the next bust.
I'm concerned about actual drilling, not the gas line itself. I believe between Mancos and Durango you are safe from drilling. Between Mancos and Dolores you are OK as well. Right around Phil's World and anything west and north of there is where the wells are a potential issue.

There is drilling potential everywhere around Moab, but so far the Feds and the state have not sold the mineral rights near town. That doesn't mean they won't. Bush the Second did a last minute sale of mineral rights on his way out the door, right next to Arches NP, but Obama rescinded the sale immediately after taking office.

I drove past a couple of drilling operations yesterday in Weld County Colorado, on the Front Range. Imagine a giant factory that runs 24x7 being built 500 feet from your house. Even if it only lasts six or nine months, it would suck beyond belief, and you would be left with the tank farm, compressors running 24x7, and constant truck traffic.

Split estate is a 19th century concept that simply doesn't work now, but there is no turning back. Since almost no one in Colorado or Utah owns the mineral rights to their property, and those states are absolutely owned by the oil and gas industry, you have to buy where there is no chance of anyone drilling.
 
I would put the Cortez Thai restaurant up against just about Thai place I have been. The Wild Edge Brewery is fantastic albeit a little expensive.
Having just spent a long weekend in Cortez for the Mesa Verde race, I can attest to the restaurants. We never made it to the Thai place (and are now sad we didn't!), but the Mexican food is outstanding, La Casita, in particular. We went to La Casita three times over four days, it was so good!

I found Wild Edge to be "all right", but the service was pretty spotty and slow. Their green chile pork was fantastic!

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Lots of hate on Cortez in this thread. My family has been in and around Cortez for quite some time, while it has its issues it is a pretty cool place in reality. The area is incredibly fascinating historically, geologically, archaeologically etc... and has some fantastic Mtn Biking all around it. Yes, at first blush Cortez looks run down and bad, but really there are some great places to be, eat and hang out. Living outside of the town is best. There are some amazing plots of land and really well cared for pretty much anywhere east and north of the City. I would put the Cortez Thai restaurant up against just about Thai place I have been. The Wild Edge Brewery is fantastic albeit a little expensive and the Loungin Lizard is a great spot as well to mention just a few. There is a great rec center and park. Not to mention you are close to Dolores, Telluride, Durango and down into Northern NM.

Oh and with Phils World, Boggy Draw, Sand Canyon and Sagehen all within 30 minutes I would say the riding is phenomenal. The local bike shop and trails organizations are also great with large expansions of Phils and Boggy taking shape in the next year or so.
Agree on all of this. It's an amazing place. Plus, a couple of hours to Cedar Mesa/Bear's Ears, amazing gravel grinding in the area of Bluff, Canyonlands, a quick 20-minute drive to start getting elevation, McPhee Reservoir; it sits right between mountain and desert, a quick zip over to Durango for a little variation. You're pretty close to rafting and kayaking (depending on time of year).

Edward Abby referred to Cortez as the shithead capital of dip **** county Colorado, which was kind of true at one time. However, once you settle in there are a lot of really neat people who live there and if you have any interest in prehistory, it's amazing.

Yeah, it seems to have been discovered by retirees.
 
Edward Abby referred to Cortez as the shithead capital of dip **** county Colorado, which was kind of true at one time. However, once you settle in there are a lot of really neat people who live there and if you have any interest in prehistory, it's amazing.

Yeah, it seems to have been discovered by retirees.
Well, honestly, it seems like there is a lot of inbreeding between the people who run Montezuma County and the people who run San Juan County, UT. The people running both of those counties are pretty .... interesting.

Doesn't seem to matter though: https://the-journal.com/articles/95357-housing-prices-sales-go-up-in-montezuma-county
 
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