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I'm still curious how the threaded "spoke" attaches to the string part of the spoke. Also, what's the threaded part made of? I suggested to Berd that these be made black instead of white so they'll stay looking new longer. White Spinergy PBO spokes get stained black easily.
Looking at pictures in some articles, it looks like it's actually the end of a spoke.

No clue on the other question, though. Fixed with some epoxy, perhaps? And, under tension, the woven part should grip the "spoke" portion with incredible force. Think Chinese finger trap made out of crazy strong fiber under 120kgf.
 
so they work out at the same or depending on length a similar weight to the old Pillar Ti spokes. I assume their inherant flex will not be as good as the Berds and durability. So we are looking at 1g max savings per spoke over say the Sapims Supers, which are less than 1/2 the costs. Will wait a bit and see reviews and for the black ones to appear.
 
so they work out at the same or depending on length a similar weight to the old Pillar Ti spokes. I assume their inherant flex will not be as good as the Berds and durability. So we are looking at 1g max savings per spoke over say the Sapims Supers, which are less than 1/2 the costs. Will wait a bit and see reviews and for the black ones to appear.
Are Sapim Supers lighter than CX-Rays? When I calculated weights I came up with saving something like 2g per spoke. Cutting a 1/4lb out of an already very light XC wheelset is impressive.
 
I meant the metal part. It looks like a piece of a normal spoke to me too but stainless or Ti? I'm a sailor and kite surfer so familiar with Dyneema.
The two key things here are the mechanical connection between the two materials, and their maximum tension specification...to me these are the 1st two bits of information that would get end user's/builders interest. Hopefully someone can shed some light
 
Saying that carbon is stiffer than steel is not true. It CAN be stiffer than steel.

But, we're also talking about bodies under tension. Not chain stays or down tubes.

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Just in case there is noob confusion:

Chain stays are usually under tension, as are down tubes unless you're cramming your front wheel into something.

I'm guessing LD meant seat stays and top tubes.
 
Just in case there is noob confusion:

Chain stays are usually under tension, as are down tubes unless you're cramming your front wheel into something.

I'm guessing LD meant seat stays and top tubes.
Now, I'm no engineer, but:

Isn't a chain stay being pulled, or compressed, towards the BB by chain tension?

Serious question. Genuinely curious.

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Now, I'm no engineer, but:

Isn't a chain stay being pulled, or compressed, towards the BB by chain tension?

Serious question. Genuinely curious.

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Yep, the right chain stay is pulled towards the BB if the force you put on the chain is greater than the tension exerted by your weight on the bike, at least as I understand it.

Also sounds like a great explanation of why the right CS tends to crack right in front of the dropout, but I was already digressing so I'll stop.

edit: I should point out that with the 'noob' comment I wasn't referring to you, but someone who may read this but not feel like jumping into the pool with us weirdos. ;)
 
I thought cxrays(bladed) were 4.5g, supers were 3.5g and there is also a cx-super(bladed) as well at 3.6g. The Pillar mega SS are 3.5g as well. Berds seem to come out at 2.3-2.8g depending on lengths.
Correct CX-Rays are 4.5 - 4.6 grams.
Superspokes - 3.6 grams.
Super CX-Rays - 3.7 grams. Scale pic.
 

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So $500+ to save say 55g, that's a $10/g. Fine if they are the last possible upgrade on an already ww bike, but I can think of other parts before to change. We will have to see longer term how they behave, stretch, slacking, re truing abrasion etc.
 
So $500+ to save say 55g, that's a $10/g. Fine if they are the last possible upgrade on an already ww bike, but I can think of other parts before to change. We will have to see longer term how they behave, stretch, slacking, re truing abrasion etc.
Well...

Sort of. If you're comparing them to Sapim Super Spokes, the retail price of those is similar, at least for the black ones.

So, instead of spending that same amount of money on Super Spokes, you could get spokes that appear to weigh 2.2g a piece, and might exceed steel in some desirable qualities.

Seems to me that you'd save most of 100g over Sapim Super Spokes for not much more money. If someone is spending $5.75 to $8.25 for spokes already, I think the Berd spokes would receive consideration as well.

Sapim Super Spoke - Bladed - Black

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True I am not saying I wouldn't be interested, as that is why we are all here in this thread. I have two sets of existing wheels with supers so spending that much to loose that much is harder than if I was starting a new wheelset from scratch, which if I did then I would like to maximise the benefits of weight loss and no doubt end up with new rims and lighter hubs as well. $$$$$

super spokes black are equivelant to $3.90 and cx supers are $4.80 online in Germany.
 
maybe in the near future we may see progression when other companies that see this solution and adapt or add their expertise to possible weak areas and improve say the thread interface or where the spoke interfaces the rim/hub etc. We all know 1st gen stuff always have their problems and over time solutions are found and prices drop..usually!
 
I dont think the super spokes to berd spokes comparison is apples to apples. Super spokes in general are limited use, tiny spokes. They sacrifice a fair amount of strength to save weight. And not widly use in mountain bike applications due to overall smaller size.

Berd spokes are, even by a small amount, stronger than any butted spokes. No info on comparison to good straight gauge. But all tested the same way and testing proves stronger. Having seen how materials are tested for that application its very standardized so no falsifying that.

Need to look at the big picture. The only matter we are awaiting reports on is longevity.

Of course room for improvements, but if you look into any products that use the material, none are budget minded. I agree $8 a spoke is ridiculously steep. But waiting for prices to come down doesnt help. Actually quite the opposite. These have been around 2-3 yrs with no change in price.

How many of you though have wheel sets that are over $1000 a set? Full higher end bikes pushing $4-5k range? How many spent the insane price for Eagle 12s just to have 4 more teeth in the back?

I dont fit any of those questions. Too rich for my blood. So many went crazy over eagle 12s, which was pushing $1000 for no real improvement except 4t bigger cog and shiny gold color.

But $500+ to save a lot of weight in the spokes without sacrificing strength????? The most important place to be a weight weenie, the wheels.

May not apply to any posters in this thread but I bet at least one will stop and think for a second. Especially if weight is always one of their biggest considerations for parts they buy.

As I said. There is important info we are waiting on that will take time. But price versus the weight shouldnt even be an issue considering the location of the weight. Im seriously considering saving up for these though and little has to do with the weight. Lack of vibrations being transmitted is enough to get my attention.

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