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I have Bontrager Line Pro 30 rims, 29mm inner width, 29'r size.

I ordered Maxxis DHF 29x2.5 / received Maxxis DHF 29x2.5WT for front (when ordering, Jenson assured me it was NOT the WT version, but what I received IS WT)
I ordered/received Maxxis DHR II 29x2.3 for rear. (non WT)

My understanding is the WT tires are optimized for rims 30 to 35 mm wide, while the non-WT tires are optimal for narrower rims. WT Optimization for wider rims consists of greater spacing between outer and inner knobs, which compensates for the tendency of a wider rim to result in a square shoulder, resulting in WT tires on wide rims having approximately the same lean angle as the non WT tires on narrower rims. I visually confirmed the DHF WT does have much greater spacing than the DHR II non-WT, about 1/4" to 3/8" more.

Because my 29mm width rims fall right on the cusp of using either version, it would seem this would not be a big deal, BUT, I am thinking that running a WT front and non-WT rear tire on middle of the road rims means the spacing on the WT will be maximized (29mm rims might cause a WT to balloon more), while the spacing on the non-WT tire will be minimized (29mm rims may cause a non-WT tire to have a squarish shoulder), resulting in the greatest possible difference in lean angle between front and rear. In other words, when the bike is leaned enough to get the side knobs on the front gripping, the back may be approaching wash-out.

Should I exchange the front DHF 29x2.5 WT for a DHF 29x2.3 to get the maximum benefit from these tires, or are these differences really noise in the greater scheme of things?
If it matters, my riding area is ungroomed, rocky and rooty state park trails more intended for hikers and horses than bikes. There are NO bermed corners, so flat cornering is important.

Thanks!
Shawn
 
This....

"..or are these differences really noise in the greater scheme of things?"


Yes.

But, since 2.3" tires were designed when sub-i25 rims were the norm, err on going the side of WT.

That said. Those WT 2.5" Maxxis are a lot of tire to lug around. Better be doing some high speed harsh down hill to justify the drag.
 
I'd be looking to get the max out of your wheels not your tires. The 2.3 was designed for getting traction when you can't use lower pressure to create a bigger footprint. In the old days if you tried that with a fast rolling tire the 19 or 21mm rim let the sidewall fold over and you got instant loss of grip as the tread area lost contact with the trail. The bigger deeper tread blocks of the Maxxis tires you've got worked to give you more grip without lowering air pressure.
And as you mentioned put an old school 2.3 on a 30mm inner rim and it squares off and gets grabby.
The W-T moved the tread blocks out to make the traditional tread design everyone knew seem rideable on the wide rims everyone was going for. Limited success, imo.
What was better was a tire with a higher volume larger casing to go with a more rounded tread design.
So look at the Bontrager tires. Or the Maxxis Rekon.
And because you can now drop your pressure because the wider rim gives the tire more sidewall support and eliminates foldover, . . . .You'll likely only need smaller shorter knobs with the bigger footprint you get.
Like a XR2 2.35 Team. Imo.
This setup works for medium speeds loose over hardpack with rocks and roots.
For Enduro/DH speeds you'll need stiffer sidewalls.
For loamy terrain taller knobs.
Other XR oe SE tires may work. They're high volume with a very rounded profile.
 
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That said. Those WT 2.5" Maxxis are a lot of tire to lug around. Better be doing some high speed harsh down hill to justify the drag.
Unfortunately, my 247ish lb weight really ups the harsh factor... one of the reasons I upgraded to a Slash last year. This bike has opened a whole new dimension of fast riding for me compared to my 2013 Remedy.
 
You'll be fine.

In fact, you'll love em. :thumbsup:
I agree... probably. The rear tire might need a DD casing.

I currently have i29 Bonty Line XXX and Stans Flow rims.

I've ran 2.3 Tomahawk EXO and now Aggressor DD on the back of my '18 Slash. Went DD after destroying a Line XXX rim. They work fine for a faster rolling rear trail tire. Tomahawk is faster but wears quick and does get loose after a bit. At your weight you want the DD casing on the rear tire. SInce you have a DHF 2.5 front I'd go Aggressor 2.5 WT or DHR2 2.4 for a rear tire, in DD casing.

DHF 2.5 WT front is perfect, I just can't believe Maxxis doesn't make it in the MaxxGrip 3C compound for 9ers without having to use the DH casing. WTF Maxxis, c'mon!!! ;) 29 x 2.5 WT 3C MaxxGrip would be the perfect front tire. I had one on my 27.5 bike and now I can't have it anymore... :(
 
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I agree... probably. The rear tire might need a DD casing.

I currently have i29 Bonty Line XXX and Stans Flow rims.

I've ran 2.3 Tomahawk EXO and now Aggressor DD on the back of my '18 Slash. Went DD after destroying a Line XXX rim. They work fine for a faster rolling rear trail tire. Tomahawk is faster but wears quick and does get loose after a bit. At your weight you want the DD casing on the rear tire. SInce you have a DHF 2.5 front I'd go Aggressor 2.5 WT or DHR2 2.4 for a rear tire, in DD casing.

DHF 2.5 WT front is perfect, I just can't believe Maxxis doesn't make it in the MaxxGrip 3C compound for 9ers without having to use the DH casing. WTF Maxxis, c'mon!!! ;) 29 x 2.5 WT 3C MaxxGrip would be the perfect front tire. I had one on my 27.5 bike and now I can't have it anymore... :(
Thanks for chiming in!

I did get the DD casing on the 29x2.3 DHR II to help protect my rear carbon rim under my weight, and the one I got weighs about 1100 gms. I wasn't looking at their downhill tires, so I missed they have a 2.4 DHR II WT with a DD casing (but 1265 gms on their website). I am really not too concerned about weight, so I probably would have gotten it if I knew it existed, AND I would have WT front and rear, so no concerns over mismatched lean angles.

I think you might be in luck (if you can live without maxxgrip), the front DHF I received is 1060 gms, 3C, maxx terra, exo casing, WT, 60 tpi - I don't think this is their downhill casing, which runs over 1200 gms according to their website. The part number for this DHF is TB96800300
 
Unfortunately, my 247ish lb weight really ups the harsh factor... one of the reasons I upgraded to a Slash last year. This bike has opened a whole new dimension of fast riding for me compared to my 2103 Remedy.
My rule for bikes (I am about 20 pounds less than you), take whatever category of bike and go up one. Given your weight you should be running a double down casing rear and probably front also. It gives better sidewall support and is much more reliable. Exo casings are great for lighter guys, not so much when you are over 200 pounds.

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Unfortunately, my 247ish lb weight really ups the harsh factor... one of the reasons I upgraded to a Slash last year. This bike has opened a whole new dimension of fast riding for me compared to my 2013 Remedy.
Ah, yes. 247# makes a big difference. I'm sure a 2.5" to you would be like a 2.2" me.

Again, a 2.5 WT is a much closer match to an i29 rim than a Maxxis 2.3 is.

If the rear 2.3 can easily be returned do it, but if not, then just ride it. It will be fine.

On a separate note, the DHR2 in a dual compound, is a better choice - out back - than a 3c.
 
Thanks for chiming in!

I did get the DD casing on the 29x2.3 DHR II to help protect my rear carbon rim under my weight, and the one I got weighs about 1100 gms. I wasn't looking at their downhill tires, so I missed they have a 2.4 DHR II WT with a DD casing (but 1265 gms on their website). I am really not too concerned about weight, so I probably would have gotten it if I knew it existed, AND I would have WT front and rear, so no concerns over mismatched lean angles.

I think you might be in luck (if you can live without maxxgrip), the front DHF I received is 1060 gms, 3C, maxx terra, exo casing, WT, 60 tpi - I don't think this is their downhill casing, which runs over 1200 gms according to their website. The part number for this DHF is TB96800300
That same tire in MaxxGrip compund is the one I want. The DH casing version is 1300g so 300g heavier and I don't need that for a front tire.
 
Again, a 2.5 WT is a much closer match to an i29 rim than a Maxxis 2.3 is.

If the rear 2.3 can easily be returned do it, but if not, then just ride it. It will be fine.

On a separate note, the DHR2 in a dual compound, is a better choice - out back - than a 3c.
^^^ Agreed with all three statements ^^^
 
I'd say it depends on how aggressively you lean in corners. If you generally are meek on flat and off-camber turns, you'd be better on non-WT, as it engages the shoulder knobs much sooner. If you just ride bermed/banked corners all day, it doesn't matter which you choose.
 
Tire profile/shape Is everything but I Keep It simple.

25mm ID rims for 2.3 and below...

29mm ID rims are great for 2.4 - 2.6 wide tires.

35mm ID rims are great for 2.6 - 3.0 wide tires,
(since most of these tires are actually between 2.6 - 3.0 wide)

40mm ID rims are perfect for 3.0 - 3.25 wide tires,

As for wider tires and rims I have no experience with those..

Below, The tire profile of my 2.8 wide 1st generation Rekon 3c's on 35mm ID rims on the Hard Tail and the profile of my 2.35 wide Bontrager XR4's on my full squish with 25mm ID rims.
I wanted to keep both tire profiles on both bikes similar, And I did.



BTW I had tons, bucket loads, All I ever could possibly want traction with the Plus tires over the very good XR4's and never noticed any extra drag due to the wider tire.
Was This tire design/casing/ siped treads/ size of treads or spacing ?
(Both tires had ramped center treads)
The stiffness of Boost spacing ?
Running Mid teen pressures In the plus tires and low 20's in the 2.35 wides..
Or was It Hard Tail efficiency ?
I think It was all of the above but who knows.
With Future Tech I go.
 
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