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#21 ·
hungrytiger said:
That sounds great, and how does it affect flexibility to change travel by fitting a different air spring?
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Not if you are shortening it, but changing the travel might require changing the damping, but that applies for any fork, if you change one dynamic significantly, you usually have to go and change the damping to compensate, or live with the decreased function.
 
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#22 ·
Another vote for the Avy cartridge. Or for half that amount, you can buy an RCT3 damper from SRAM and fundamentally have a Lyrik.

If it’s a fork you’ll keep awhile, I’d go Avy just for function and ease of maintenance. If you think you’re going to move it along, perhaps stick with the stock damper for ease of resale.
 
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kkxaq said:
The new black cone on the air piston is hollow. So in essence it removes volume from the positive side and moves it to the negative side.
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I watched the install video again and saw(this time!) the holes in the base plate that screws onto the end of the shaft and then the cap screws onto it. I thought the cap was sealed before and just wasted space!
 
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Dougal said:
Adjustable Hydraulic Bottom Out (HBO) is an amazing thing to have. You'll find it stock on all the Mattocs.;)
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I haven't bottomed my Fox Rhythm 140 yet....

I can get a Yari pretty cheap and the Avy is sounding really good. I've had custom tuned forks on several motorcycles over the years and there's a lot to be said for getting it done your weight/style/ability.

Does Avalanche ever have sales/discounts/promos?
 
#28 ·
not2shabby said:
I haven't bottomed my Fox Rhythm 140 yet....

I can get a Yari pretty cheap and the Avy is sounding really good. I've had custom tuned forks on several motorcycles over the years and there's a lot to be said for getting it done your weight/style/ability.

Does Avalanche ever have sales/discounts/promos?
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A Yari with Avalanche and Luftkappe will do very well. Only downside is the price. $US450 (540with ABS) for the damper, $US100 odd for the Luftkappe and install clamps plus the fork!
 
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Dougal said:
A Yari with Avalanche and Luftkappe will do very well. Only downside is the price. $US450 (540with ABS) for the damper, $US100 odd for the Luftkappe and install clamps plus the fork!
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According to Avy's website, ABS isn't recommended for 150mm and less forks. The Luftkappe is $85; I have shaft clamps, and not sure it'd be a necessity. Yari's can be had pretty cheap if you look around(I don't mind used not abused!)....now if Avy would just have a sale!
 
#30 ·
not2shabby said:
According to Avy's website, ABS isn't recommended for 150mm and less forks. The Luftkappe is $85; I have shaft clamps, and not sure it'd be a necessity. Yari's can be had pretty cheap if you look around(I don't mind used not abused!)....now if Avy would just have a sale!
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Craig's prices are the same year around. It is a refreshing change from the wait for a sale pricing model.

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#31 ·
Got a luftkappe & a novy splug in my Yari

its a far better fork than stock now, cant say Ive compared it with the avy mod, but as I reused the luftkappe from my old forks its been a super cheap way of getting something better than a lyric!

Fast also offer a similar €150 drop in damper with HSC tuned for weight& external lsc, that Id be keen to try
 
#33 ·
kneecap said:
Has nobody attempted any modifications to the motion control cartridge in a new generation Yari? Maybe something can be done to get better performance initially other than just tossing it?
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It's a plastic tube with an adjustable hole in the bottom, nothing you can do to make it better!

I rate the luftkappe highly as an upgrade but would do the damper too. A charger 2 or the novy splug seem to be the most value
 
#34 ·
JohnnyC7 said:
It's a plastic tube with an adjustable hole in the bottom, nothing you can do to make it better!

I rate the luftkappe highly as an upgrade but would do the damper too. A charger 2 or the novy splug seem to be the most value
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Price and value are two different things. All you get with the Novy/Fast is to replace the moco compression damper with a proper setup of valve and shims. You're still stuck with the RS rebound and (lack of?) mid-valve. A Charger2 damper gets you a much more sophisticated damper but it's not tuned for you. Avalanche gets you a custom built cartridge with compression, rebound, and mid-valve tuning for you.
 
#35 ·
Thanks guys. Mine has the plastic tube, 3 tiny holes at bottom that become covered up as the compression cap at top is turned to more compression. I'm gonna try lighter oil 1st. , & if not satisfied with that, I may drill those holes a size or 2 larger with hopes to soften up initial compression. I'm a lighter wt. rider, & every fork, other than zokes of a few years back, are considerably damped too firm, especially initially for me.

And you are correct about the rebound cartridge is what it is.
 
#37 ·
Just changing to a shimmed base valve is a big step up over moco for relatively low cost but the extra cost to go to avy doesn’t gain the same improvement relative to cost ie value. Sure it’s better again but I don’t think you beee to go that far to make a noticeable difference. Mid-valves.......personally I suspect they aren’t that beneficial in an mtb, the spring mass is much lower so the amount of damping needed to control movement isn’t that high. They come from open bath MX dampers that would have too much “lag” before the base valve kicked in but a good sealed cartridge like charger2 doesn’t have that problem so much
 
#38 ·
kneecap said:
Thanks guys. Mine has the plastic tube, 3 tiny holes at bottom that become covered up as the compression cap at top is turned to more compression. I'm gonna try lighter oil 1st. , & if not satisfied with that, I may drill those holes a size or 2 larger with hopes to soften up initial compression. I'm a lighter wt. rider, & every fork, other than zokes of a few years back, are considerably damped too firm, especially initially for me.

And you are correct about the rebound cartridge is what it is.
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What in particular would you like it to do? Lighter oil or drilled holes will likely just make it divey
 
#40 ·
JohnnyC7 said:
Just changing to a shimmed base valve is a big step up over moco for relatively low cost but the extra cost to go to avy doesn't gain the same improvement relative to cost ie value. Sure it's better again but I don't think you beee to go that far to make a noticeable difference. Mid-valves.......personally I suspect they aren't that beneficial in an mtb, the spring mass is much lower so the amount of damping needed to control movement isn't that high. They come from open bath MX dampers that would have too much "lag" before the base valve kicked in but a good sealed cartridge like charger2 doesn't have that problem so much
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Isn't the only shimmed base-valve option the Novy?

Agree with mid-valves. Also the design of mid-valve damping in mtb forks is almost universally terrible. Charger2 is no better than Charger1 in that regard.
 
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