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#23 ·
Hiker74 said:
I keep hearing that the rear end of the Scout is really rough, i.e. not a lot of compliance
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A good rear wheel/tyre combo... & you're sweet ;-)

Plus, we're taking hard tails here. How much compliance are you expecting? ;-P

'We'll all make it to the top... Some of us, might not make it to the bottom'
 
#24 ·
lb2 said:
Yup, they are 29'ers, set up with Maxxis Forekaster 2.35" up front and a Rekon 2.25" in back.
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Huh...???

I'm currently running a 2.35 Hans Dampf & 2.35 Panaracer Rampage on mine & it's cushy enough.

With a boost fork, you could easily run 2.6 tyres. Make a real All Mountain ripper ^^

'We'll all make it to the top... Some of us, might not make it to the bottom'
 
#25 ·
For the 27.5+ am running the 2.8" Rekons. As a 29er am fine trying out the "smaller" sizes. Didn't go with very wide ID rims for the 29er plus going with 2.6" gets me in the range of what I got going with the 27.5+ wheels... not what I'm looking for with this setup.
 
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Actually, a whole frikin lot ;) Seriously, if you haven't owned and ridden a steel HT, then you have no voice in this discussion, if you had, you would know and understand. Granted any frame can be made to be harsh, just it's much easier with alu. The difference between my alu and steel bikes is AMAZING, won't ever ride another alu HT again and most definitely not with regular size tyres.

targnik said:
A good rear wheel/tyre combo... & you're sweet ;-)

Plus, we're taking hard tails here. How much compliance are you expecting? ;-P
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#28 ·
I researched extensively for months looking for a 29/650B+ steel hardtail frame. The Honzo and NS Eccentric were both in the running, but in the end I ordered a Pipedream Moxie. Moxie Enduro Hardtail | 27.5/27.5+/29er Compatible

Probably more than you want to spend unless you have most of a build kit laying around.
 

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Nice bike Travis. I wish someone in the USA would start shipping in frames from Stanton and sell complete bikes. They keep the cost reasonable and they have a great reputation in the UK. Hardtails seem to have more love in the UK than they do in the US. I would love to have a Stanton Slackline with 27.5+ tires. I have something for red bikes...https://www.stantonbikes.com/product/slackline-853-next-gen/
 
#31 ·
Being over 6ft, I just can't see any love for Stanton, their XL has a 450mm reach, which is by todays standard about what you'd expect for the avg size Large, what my XL Paradox from 2012 had and they seem to have no intention to increase their sizing to accommodate anyone over 6ft, so I ignore them now.

Hiker74 said:
Nice bike Travis. I wish someone in the USA would start shipping in frames from Stanton and sell complete bikes. They keep the cost reasonable and they have a great reputation in the UK. Hardtails seem to have more love in the UK than they do in the US. I would love to have a Stanton Slackline with 27.5+ tires. I have something for red bikes...https://www.stantonbikes.com/product/slackline-853-next-gen/
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#32 ·
I was looking for around 460mm of reach with a short enough seat tube to fit my 160mm Revive. Moxie has 470mm of reach in long and 510mm in longer. Oddly to me anyway, the seat tubes on both are 420mm. I would up that a bit on the longer.
 
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I’m a Clyde at 6’3 270#. Have been on a Xxl Tallboy LTc for 3 years now. I’m tired of dealing with the rear suspension at my size. So I’m currently waiting for a XL Guerrilla Gravity Pedalhead Frame to arrive. I had looked at a few other steel Hardtails ( chromag, honzo , moxie) but kept coming back to the PH. Everyone who has reviewed it has loved it and the 140mm fork , modern geo and threaded bottom bracket checked a lot of boxes for the. The guys at GG are amazing to work with, now if they could please send me my frame so I can get this amazing build started that would be awesome.
 
#34 ·
LyNx said:
Actually, a whole frikin lot ;) Seriously, if you haven't owned and ridden a steel HT, then you have no voice in this discussion, if you had, you would know and understand. Granted any frame can be made to be harsh, just it's much easier with alu. The difference between my alu and steel bikes is AMAZING, won't ever ride another alu HT again and most definitely not with regular size tyres.
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:meh:

Your loss

'We'll all make it to the top... Some of us, might not make it to the bottom'
 
#35 ·
I think it's really important to consider the terrain and your riding fantasy when choosing a bike. I demo'd a GG Pedalhead and it is just not for the type of trails in my area. I found the PH to be to aggressive. The bottom bracket was way to low and the bike was way to long (I ride a large but demo'd a medium). The tires were way to heavy. The wheelbase was way to long.
My trails require near constant peddling, lots of roots and rocks, and most importantly short punchy climbs. Yes the GG is a rad bike and it's for someone other than me who lives somewhere else.

I also demo'd a Norco Fluid HT. The build was on the low end but the bike was so much more fun and was a "fit" with the style of riding and trails in my local. Now I would not buy the Fluid since it has a weird rear axle spacing (I want to say it's 141mm wide).

Hiker74 where to you ride and what are the trails like?
 
Discussion starter · #36 ·
I'm in Indiana and there's some flats as well as the same amount of climbing to downhill. Most trails are hardback. For the Pedalhead I was looking at 29r not 27.5+. The alternative is the Jamis Dragonslayer Pro which is 27.5+ but probably less aggressive
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
And there's the main issue. I haven't ridden the Pedalhead but I have ridden a Dragonslayer sport with the same wheels and tires and I liked it. The bike shop I'd get it from is super cool and old school. I can demo a Pedalhead about an hr away and I'll probably do that.
 
#38 ·
Georgia_Rider said:
I think it's really important to consider the terrain and your riding fantasy when choosing a bike. I demo'd a GG Pedalhead and it is just not for the type of trails in my area. I found the PH to be to aggressive. The bottom bracket was way to low and the bike was way to long (I ride a large but demo'd a medium). The tires were way to heavy. The wheelbase was way to long.
My trails require near constant peddling, lots of roots and rocks, and most importantly short punchy climbs. Yes the GG is a rad bike and it's for someone other than me who lives somewhere else.

I also demo'd a Norco Fluid HT. The build was on the low end but the bike was so much more fun and was a "fit" with the style of riding and trails in my local. Now I would not buy the Fluid since it has a weird rear axle spacing (I want to say it's 141mm wide).

Hiker74 where to you ride and what are the trails like?
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True. My favourite trails have longer fast down hill sections. We have some super tight, twisty stuff, but I think of them as connecters to link up the good stuff. If I still lived on the prairies I would not have ordered a Moxie, but here in BC it makes sense for me.
 
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Got my first ride in since setting it up as a 29er. It was a short one, main thing that stood out- the Dragonslayer felt much lighter on her feet, quicker to accelerate and steering response. It also was a little less cush in the ride and a drop in grip. All in all a nice change of pace and like being able to make the switch.
 

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