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Hi,
I'm debating between both the Canfield Toir / Riot or the YT Jeffsy as my next purchase. Looking for a fun/playful all-mountain/trail bike for my local terrain in the Northern Rockies ( <1hr winch and plummet on the weekdays, burly 3+ trail days on the weekends; all from doorstep to doorstep).

Both of these 140mm bikes are at the very top of my list, and both likely will be available sometime early next year. Anyone have experience with both of these bikes? Aside from the weight difference (2lbs?) and stupid press fit bottom bracket, what are the distinctive characteristics of these bikes? Poppy and progressive vs smooth and efficient?

If it matters, I'm 6'4, 36 inseam, love riding fast and playing around on everything, but have no interest in racing enduro.

Thanks everyone in advance.
 
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I took a spin on a jeffsy, it reminded me a lot of a Spec Stumpjumper that peddleday a little better...but that isn't saying much. Because of all the bikes in its class, I hated the SJ the most. The Riot on the other hand is a blast to ride. Since you don't want to race, it's even better. Short chainstays and short wheel base makes a great playful bike.
 
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Interesting. I’ve heard that comparison before, Jeffsy to Stumpy.

Never ridden the YT, but I owned a Riot last year and now have a ‘17 Stumpy. Aesthetically and culturally, I liked the Canfield. Super-fun bike. But to be objective and based on performance, the Specialized is a superior bike for me in the jagged fast terrain in Phoenix.
 
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Interesting. I've heard that comparison before, Jeffsy to Stumpy.

Never ridden the YT, but I owned a Riot last year and now have a '17 Stumpy. Aesthetically and culturally, I liked the Canfield. Super-fun bike. But to be objective and based on performance, the Specialized is a superior bike for me in the jagged fast terrain in Phoenix.
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We're neighbors! I'm guessing with your comment above, you're referring to trails like National and Geronimo, as far as where the Stumpy performed better than the Riot? Did you ride either bike at trail systems like Hawes? Currently shopping and ride Hawes and SoMo primarily, with trips to Prescott and Sedona over the summer.
 
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All those places, plus PMP, Flag, Tucson, etc, but yeah mostly SoMo.

To be clear, I’m not peeing on Canfield as I’m a huge fan of the company. I think in a different environment I would have liked the Riot much more. My issue was suspension performance — and to some degree, wheelbase/short stays — at high speed through significant chunk.
 
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Man, a few bikes have come and gone. For sure a couple different Monarch Plus’ and, if memory serves, a CC inline. I thought I ran a Jade, too, but I think that was a different rig.
 
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The suspension? The chainstay thing I'll buy, but the suspension? I've ridden lots of different bikes and the one thing that I can say is that the suspension on the Canfield's is the best I've ridden. I've ridden Balance and Riot, and I should be riding a Balance now, currently on a Delirium. I rode the Riot in Moab. One thing you'll never here me say is I like this Specialized better than a Canfield because of the SUSPENSION! Weight, Seat tube length maybe, but suspension? I guess different strokes for different folks. Suspension?
 
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Think what Blatant is pointing out is that the Riot is not the greatest bike (plushest) for blowing through chunky terrain at high speeds like we have here in Phoenix (SoMo). The azz end tends to get overwhelmed and dance around a bit and rides like it has 110/120 mm of travel vs 140mm in that. Probably mainly do to its short wheelbase and chain stays, but some of that could be suspension leverage rate/curve and shock selection.

I have owned Riot here in Phoenix (SoMo) for 1 1/2 years and on my third shock trying to tame down the azz end. The DBAir that came with it sucked,a Pushed Fox coil was better/ok and now on a Manitou Mcleod. Just put a King Can (high volume) on the Mcleod the other day. Only have one ride on the King Can, but this it looks like this might be the ticket to making it a bit plusher.

I love ever other aspect of the Riot, the short WB and CSs makes it a blast to ride.
 
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This has been posted a bunch with speculation that the short stays make a bike skip around. I just don't see how anybody can really make that claim as it can be nothing but shock tune if it is really happening. Is .5 to 1 inch in length really going to matter in how the shock is reacting to forces? It either compresses and recovers in time for the next force or it doesn't. If you don't have mid stroke support or too slow of rebound, you will feel like you have less travel available to you on repeat hits.
One thing I will get is that some people don't like the feel of the shorter stays and that is why we have so much choice. A longer stay can give you more of an 'in the bike' feel that some people prefer and maybe that is being interpreted.

Most likely, I think somebody speculated at some point and then people just ran with that without really understanding.

I have owned two Riot frames now, ridden a Balance a bunch as well. On my Riot I have had the DB air CS, a cruddy cheap fox air, A Monarch RT3, and a DVO Coil. The OEM Fox was the worst followed by the DB air CS, though I got it to perform decently. The DVO coil just takes all the drama away completely and never seems to lose traction. The monarch is my short shock option and gives me ~125mm rear wheel and I routinely go 30+mph through rough and washboard and have never felt the rear doing what others suggest.

I also find it worth noting that the Balance has similarly short CS and people aren't complaining about it. Quite the opposite in fact.
 
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Aenema, bring that Riot to Phoenix. I want to show you around. And by "show you around" I mean take you to the trail head, let you go first and say "see you at the bottom." :) Our season is just starting.

Any of you Phoenix area Riot owners have an XL? I'd love to ride one. There's a burger and beer in it for you!
 
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aenema said:
This has been posted a bunch with speculation that the short stays make a bike skip around. I just don't see how anybody can really make that claim as it can be nothing but shock tune if it is really happening. Is .5 to 1 inch in length really going to matter in how the shock is reacting to forces? It either compresses and recovers in time for the next force or it doesn't. If you don't have mid stroke support or too slow of rebound, you will feel like you have less travel available to you on repeat hits.
One thing I will get is that some people don't like the feel of the shorter stays and that is why we have so much choice. A longer stay can give you more of an 'in the bike' feel that some people prefer and maybe that is being interpreted.

Most likely, I think somebody speculated at some point and then people just ran with that without really understanding.

I have owned two Riot frames now, ridden a Balance a bunch as well. On my Riot I have had the DB air CS, a cruddy cheap fox air, A Monarch RT3, and a DVO Coil. The OEM Fox was the worst followed by the DB air CS, though I got it to perform decently. The DVO coil just takes all the drama away completely and never seems to lose traction. The monarch is my short shock option and gives me ~125mm rear wheel and I routinely go 30+mph through rough and washboard and have never felt the rear doing what others suggest.

I also find it worth noting that the Balance has similarly short CS and people aren't complaining about it. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Exactly, the leverage curve is pretty flat, if it ramped up quickly then maybe it's the bike. Spec bike have a falling curve, they may feel plush, even with S@#t for a shock. But squat to much in tech climbs.
 
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Gentleman: I simply stated my opinion based on my ownership of the bike. It’s not speculation. I’m not smart enough to know the reasons why, I just understand what works for me in my environment. I wish I had enjoyed the Riot as I spent my hard-earned money on it.

I do my best to look at bikes in their entirety and not focus too much on specific measurements ( unless it’s some sort of outlier). For whatever reason, I could not make the bike’s rear work the way I needed at speed. Suspension? Geo? Combo of both?

Regardless, not a huge deal. I moved on to something that works better for me in Phoenix.
 
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Blatant said:
Gentleman: I simply stated my opinion based on my ownership of the bike. It's not speculation. I'm not smart enough to know the reasons why, I just understand what works for me in my environment. I wish I had enjoyed the Riot as I spent my hard-earned money on it.

I do my best to look at bikes in their entirety and not focus too much on specific measurements ( unless it's some sort of outlier). For whatever reason, I could not make the bike's rear work the way I needed at speed. Suspension? Geo? Combo of both?

Regardless, not a huge deal. I moved on to something that works better for me in Phoenix.
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Not trying to cause drama, don't think you were either. You're just not the first to say the short stays make it skip. The Riot does need a good shock. And I was reading others say it was the stays but the bike came with a Cane creek shock, not ideal IMHO.
 
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