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I'm really interested, lately, into getting a GPS unit to take on the longer exploratory rides so I can map stuff out. There's some new area's near me that have opened up to bikes...not too much in the way of singletrack...but I figure if we start cutting new trails, it would advantageous to have a gps unit helping make our way, in the right direction.

So does anyone have experience with different units?

The new Garmin 301 looks pretty good...but what do I know?!
 
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ArmySlowRdr said:
i have a geko 301. wait until the garmin edge comes out--see the garmin website--now those look nifty.
yes yes..that's what I meant to say...I like the looks of the Edge 305 for the extra cycling specific goodies.

any bad things to say about the Geko 301 that you think the Edge has done better on?
 
I have an old Garmin that I got about three years ago that worked great. Can't remember the model, but you could get an adapter to mount it to your handlebars. I've since upgraded and haven't taken the time to learn how to use the new one.
 
I've got a Garmin, the blue one....older model? It works well and haven't had too many issues with lost reception in the mountains. That's not to say you don't have some but I don't have a handle bar mount. I stick it in my outside pocket so that could effect it. At any rate, I've hooked up some trails that were previously unknown to me w/ the GPS. Went out, rode in the "mapping mode" or whatever you call it, went back and rode some other trails ( I didn't know) and knew where I was headed (to hook up w/ the other trails). You get the picture.
 
Garmin Edge for training, eTrex for Navigation

I've been looking at the new Edge line as I tend to buy a new GPS every year or two just to get more features and do different things. I think the Edge is a great upgrade over the Foretrex for training, but less than the eTrex for navigation. I like that it includes an integrated heart rate monitor HRM and other training information I record separately, but it leaves out a lot too.

I now own the Garmin eTrex Vista for biking and Garmin Quest for navigating in the car with color maps, autorouting on streets, and voice prompts, etc..

Why eTrex Vista is better for MTB Navigating, Tracking of MTB ride
It can download and switch between street and topo maps in 24 MB memory.
Over 2X the screen pixels (288x160 versus 128x160 on the Edge) and 50% bigger screen
Stores 20 routes and 10 Tracks of rides (versus 1 each on Edge from current specs)
Store 1000 waypoints (versus only 100 on Edge, note I have 500 on my Vista now)
Includes a magnetic compass
Barometric altimeter with 1' resolution (only on Edge 305, not 205)
Customizable cycle computer screen (also on Edge)
AA batteries can be replaced on epic rides over 8-10 hours.
4.4 x 2.0 x 1.2" - only slightly larger than Edge 305
$289 list - 4 gray scale
My eTrex Vista has lasted 2 years on the handlebars through very tough technical MTB rides with lots of G forces and endos. The face and sides were scratched up from dropping into rocks and off the top of my car when I left it there leaving the parking lot a couple times, and the rubber sides were peeling. So I took finally advantage of Garmin's $100 refresh to like-new last month. Note in the same two year time, my Trek Fuel frame broke twice!!! This eTrex unit is TOUGH!

Why Edge 305 is better for Bike Training
Has available integrated Heart Rate Monitor and Cadence Meter available
Higher sensitivity antennae
Allows racing against virtual competitors on stored routes.
Can store lap information and has pause mode
12 hour Li battery means your ride better be under 10 hours.
Comes with software to show training data overlayed on map.
Smaller like most bike comptuers - 1.75"W x 3.7"H x .9"D
$379 list 4-gray scale; $269 without HRM or Cadence.

Why Garmin Quest is best for Street Navigation
Has 115 MB of memory for map download and Points of Interest (banks, gas stations, food, bike stores,...)
Has color screen and suction cup for winshield
Can be carried in pocket for walking around town
Has voice navigation through speaker in car's 12V charger
Can store 50 routes but only 1 track
Can generate new street route and directions from wayponts and street map.
If you go off route, it will automatically re-calculate a new optimum route back.
$449 list (Got mine for $350)
 
hard to say..

since the garmin site says the edge is not out til 06. But it sure looks like 1 lovely do it all piece. Oh the Geko---it does what I intended--all I do is down load my track after a ride and save it so I can look back on my rides later. I dont really use as a serious tool at all, tho I suppose if I were really lost it might come in handy--long as I remembered how to use all the features:D

Internal14 said:
yes yes..that's what I meant to say...I like the looks of the Edge 305 for the extra cycling specific goodies.

any bad things to say about the Geko 301 that you think the Edge has done better on?
 
i have a Magellan Explorist 500.

cool unit. expandable memory is nice.

battery life is short for multi-day trips though.

mapping rides is the bomb!
 
I dropped serious coin on the Garmin GPSmap 60CS but I have no regrets. WAAS reception, having maps with me on an easy-to-use screen is important to me. Having altimeter data is useful too. If the 60CS had a HRM then I would be content, but I'll use my Polar in the meantime. Another sell point for the 60CS is City Select turn-by-turn navigation while in a car. The handlebar mount is very secure and the device case is rugged as hell.
 
Etrex Vista

I've used the Vista for over 3 years now.
Easy to use, bike mountable. Buttons are glove friendly.
Tough Durable design. It has survived many a crash with just a few scratches.
Updatable internal topo/road maps.
Used with both the mapsource software and National Geographics Topo.

I would love to upgrade to the Vista C it has a wider screen, lower profile, color screen, and longer batery life...yes a longer batery life with a color lcd screen.

The color screen make distinguishing between trails and elevation line as clear as night and day.

My $0.02
 
I would love to upgrade to the Vista C it has a wider screen, lower profile, color screen, and longer batery life...yes a longer batery life with a color lcd screen.

The color screen make distinguishing between trails and elevation line as clear as night and day.

My $0.02
I recently upgraded to a Garmin Legend C (from a Legend) http://www.garmin.com/products/etrexLegendc/
It has 24 MB memory for storing topo and mapsource maps. The biggest difference between the new and old is the speed of the processor and that it has auto routing. Having a color screen helps in identifying creeks from roads etc.
Using a GPS for really tight wooded trail is not very useful, they are just not accurate enough under those conditions, for more open point to point type trails the mapping feature is great.
I can hardly type since I got slammed pretty hard riding last night, Hickory nuts collected on a steep downhill switchback, under the fresh leaves, SLAM to the ground
 
I would recommend the eTrex Series from...

Garmin. I started with a lower end model, GPS 12 that is no longer made. Good rugged GPS put a little on the large side for cycling. Remeber, while not as visible, the smaller model will fit on your bars on a mount or in your camel back MUCH better, and will be a smaller target in a crash and much more likely to survive. I have since upgraded to an eTrex Legend witch is just about the perfect size. The main reasons I would recommend the eTrex series are size, battery life (8 to 10 hours on 2 AA's), ease of opperation, and it comes with a PC interface cable. The interface cable can be an expensive option should you chose a model that does not come with one. The handle bar mounting system is available either at major sporting goods stores or through Garmin online and is very simple to set up and use. And finally the eTrex units are all compatable with mapsource software, National Geographic Topo etc. so you can down load tracks to your computer and put them on a map if you like. As for the model, for a begginer I would recommend the Legend. While it is not the highest end of the eTrex line, it has the most useful features, basic navigation screens, map screen, comes loaded with North and South America highways map software. As I said, while it is not the top of the line it will do the job you are looking at with minimal investment, the Legend lists for $182 (you can find em cheaper). So it will get you started with good features for much less than a color mapping Vista or LegendC at $321 and $267 respectively. Once you've gained experience and figured out if the GPS is something that you will use allot and what you will be using if for then you can upgrade to one of the higher end color mapping units. Anyway that's my recommendation as a starter unit. The Legend has all the features that you will need to do what you intend, and enough of the extras to play with until you decide if you need a higher end unit with more advanced features. Just my 2 cents.

Good Dirt
 
Good Points Made

Great points made by AZClydesdale, Clip'd In, santacruzer, Squash, and others.

The color eTrex VistaC is a good option. I've got the color screen on my Quest and it indeed is beautiful, very helpful, and amazingly works perfectly in direct sunlight, unlike my color cell phone and Palm. There's slightly less pixels and a square screen. It also only stores 500 waypoints instead of 1000. I'd always be reloading them depending on ride. The faster USB interface is nice but makes compatability with NG TOPO more difficult without the serial interface. The serial port takes 40 minutes to swap the entire map set filling the memory, but I only download new maps maybe 3-4x per year, and I do other things while waiting. Battery life is near double, but I use AA rechargables and carry backup anyway. I get about 8 hours with my Vista (non-color) and that works on most all rides without battery change.

The Garmin GPSmap 60CS has better reception with Helix antennae and bigger unit. About the same pixels as the VistaC, but in a 50% larger screen. More memory (56MB vrsus 24MB) is good for storing of maps. (I just squeak in the SF Bay Area and Tahoe's road and topo mpas in 24 MB. 56MB would get me 1/3 of California.) It has both USB and serial ports, better battery life with AAs. Has Geocaching software screens. A good upgrade over the eTrex for the extra $ and 50% larger size. I'll probably upgrade to this unit or it's replacement in a couple years.

The Geko, Foretrex, and other Garmin lines are also good. Each serve their purpose. Differences are not just form factor and artificial removal of features.Garmin does a good job of optimizing each unit and features to serve their purpose. Even the buttons, the software, and the way the screens are displayed are completely changed on each unit to be just perfect for what you want. So look for the right unit for what you want. They sell different units because everyone wants something different.

Sorry I don't know much about the Magellan line. As mechmann says, they've got removable expandable memory, which is nice. But I think this may come at the expense of waterproofing, which most all Garmin units have down to 30' depths. Some even float.
 
Good summary, BigLarry

BigLarry said:
So look for the right unit for what you want. They sell different units because everyone wants something different.
Pretty much sums it up: all commericial models are OK quality wise, it depends on what you will use it for and which features you appreciate. I like my Foretrex 201 because of the wristwatch format- I can wear it skiing, biking , running, hiking, whatever.
 
My experience with GPS units:

If you want only to maps trails, not navigate while 'in the field' : Foretrex 201. Small, light, inexpensive and easy to use. Enough data points and battery for an all day ride.

If you want to navigate or do multi-day trips: GPSMap 60cs. My 60cs has been across the country (off-road, great divide), across the Arizona Trail twice and on many other exploratory rides. I've come to rely on it and it has yet to let me down, despite crashes and a huge range of conditions. ~30 hours on two AA's is tough to beat.
 
Which ever GPS you get you should get.....

USPHOTOMAP. This can be downloaded from the net for free and you import maps or photos from Microsoft Terraserver and plot your track over them and save it as a JPEG. Very cool. Sound complicated but it's pretty easy.
Chris
 
I have a Garmin Etrex Legend as well, but due to the fact I'm riding north of the border (or close to the border) most of the time I lose satellite reception sometimes due to tree cover, or being close to tall cliffs. If I was buying another one I'd look for one that allowed an external antena to be used, or at least one with a better antena than comes with the Legend.
 
hugh088 said:
USPHOTOMAP. This can be downloaded from the net for free and you import maps or photos from Microsoft Terraserver and plot your track over them and save it as a JPEG. Very cool. Sound complicated but it's pretty easy.
Chris
I would like more info, if you have a precice link.

Thanks
 
Get THE BOOK

Franck said:
I would like more info, if you have a precice link.

Thanks
Redwood Mtn Biker (Rich Owens) wrote a book on GPS and mapping software. (See his post here and take the link he gives.) After a couple months of procrastination, I finally got his book ("GPS Mapping: Make your own Maps") from Amazon.com. I shouldn't have waited.

He covers just about everything - especially the free stuff really well. He not only discusses the pros and cons of each program, but recommends the right one for you. He also gives lots of helpful hints on how to use the software. I got twice as much out of my Garmin MapSource and my National Geographic software after reading his book, even though I'd been using the programs for years.

I just used his book last night to find and use a great free program G7toWin, to convert geocaching to Garmin readable data. Rather than take the Geocaching.com web site recommendation, I took G7toWin recommended by Rich Owens, as it was super great at organizing waypoints and converting to all other formats. It even able to directly insert the waypoints into my MapSource screen without an intermediate file!! It can also download and upload all sorts of files to most GPS units.

To answer your question, I've never used USAPhotoMaps, but Rich Owens covers USAPhotoMaps in pages 29-42. He says the printing capabilities are limited, no 3D capability, and Route making tools are limited. I may try it soon, along with his other suggestions.
And the link for USAPhotoMaps according to Rich Owens is at www.gpsinformation.net/waas/maps/usaphoto.html (I checked, it's good, but Rich has listed some associated links too, like teraserver and help and index files from others.)
Edit: Saw www.jdmcox.com on previous page of Owen's book, and think it's the primary reference. I was looking at the reference links on the next page.
 
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