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Really interesting experience on a demo Intense Carbine 29 today.

I’m in Phoenix and typically ride rocky gnar on South Mountain. My daily driver is a 17 Specialized Enduro 29 in size XL. I’m 6’2, 34 inseam, monkey arms and about 180 pounds before gear.

While waiting for my backup bike to come in, my LBS (Thanks, Sonoran Cycles) offered me a size L 2015 Carbine carbon 29er to demo for a couple days. Because I’m a bike geek, I said, “heck yes.”

Picked it up yesterday, got it spinning to my satisfaction and took it out this morning to ride National Trail at South Mountain. Bike looks somewhat used, but nice. 160 Pike, DBInline, Flow wheelset, dropper, XT brakes, 11-speed setup, etc.

I put a different cockpit and grips (carbon BZA bars and a 60mm Chromag stem) then ran it. The bike is astonishly light to me. Set up the Pike and used the factory baseline tune on the DBInline with 30% sag.
Just by looking at the geo charts, I didn’t think the Carbine would be my thing. It’s not terribly “modern.”

But I have to tell you, friends, this rig is freakin’ awesome.

Let me start with the things I don’t like: XT brakes. Cane Creek shocks on VPP suspension. 125mm dropper posts. High Roller II as a rear tire. As far as the complete bike, the front was the tiniest bit floppy on the steepest climbs (which I can live with) and it doesn’t have the stiffest rear I’ve ever felt.

But let’s focus on what’s really important. On my first ride on this bike, not set up 100% to my taste, I PR’d the descent down National. For non-Phoenicians, this is a 5+ mile technical descent, all rocks, decent drops, big tech obstacles and wide-open speed. Very common ride for me, one I’ve done hundreds of times. And this was on a Sunday, so high traffic levels and I didn’t even have a clean run.

It doesn’t hurt that it’s really a beautiful bike. And did I mention light?
I did have it pinned and some of the components were complaining. The Stan’s stock wheelset was definitely in pain and I think I broke about half the spokes loose the way they were pinging. I taxed the shock, bottoming it pretty regularly and heating it up pretty good by the end.
All that said, the bike was a real hoot. Despite those chainstays, I had no issues manualing, popping both ends up when I needed to, doubling up obstacles. With a good shock, this frame could be scary fast in my environment.

I had a couple poor experiences with service and build quality years ago on some older aluminum Intense bikes and hadn’t really paid them much attention. I think I’ve been missing out for sure. I had a blast riding this bike.
 
Wow. I'm surprised. I have not heard many say they like the Carbine, but that's quite a stellar review for it. I've been a fan of their Tracer for a while, but haven't considered their 29ers because of the poor feedback. I'm glad it worked out well for you. It's probably really easy to pick one of those up cheap. Maybe I'll see if I can demo the Carbine when your done with it.
 
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Hey, Ryan. I'm riding it again today, but I imagine my new rig will be in, so the Carbine will be going back. I didn't read anything about it before riding, but read some stuff yesterday when I got back.

I can see it not being the bike of choice if your trails are super-tight with no extended climbing or descending. That's not an issue out here. Otherwise, I imagine a lot of folks look at the numbers and make a decision. I've been guilty of that, too. But the Carbine seems to be one of those bikes (much like the Tallboy LT) that belies the numbers.

The chainstay length is the big one. But it's a good life lesson in judging by ALL the numbers instead of just one. You'd think you wouldn't be able to pull the front end up at all. Not true. It's super-balanced, the front comes right up for big tech moves. Hell, I was riding decent wheelies around the block and I DO NOT have the wheelie gene.
 
Blatant,
I'm curious as to why you don't like Cane Creek shocks on VPP bikes. I know what I don't like about mine (CCDBAir on a Tracer VP 26er), but I'm curious if it's the same thing you don't like.
 
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This is coming from running various CC shocks on Bronsons, Tallboy LTs and then riding this Intense. I've found I've never been able to dial out enough compression damping to make the bike feel plush. To me, CC shocks seem overdamped on VPP suspension.
 
Really interesting experience on a demo Intense Carbine 29 today.

I'm in Phoenix and typically ride rocky gnar on South Mountain. My daily driver is a 17 Specialized Enduro 29 in size XL. I'm 6'2, 34 inseam, monkey arms and about 180 pounds before gear.

While waiting for my backup bike to come in, my LBS (Thanks, Sonoran Cycles) offered me a size L 2015 Carbine carbon 29er to demo for a couple days. Because I'm a bike geek, I said, "heck yes."

Picked it up yesterday, got it spinning to my satisfaction and took it out this morning to ride National Trail at South Mountain. Bike looks somewhat used, but nice. 160 Pike, DBInline, Flow wheelset, dropper, XT brakes, 11-speed setup, etc.

I put a different cockpit and grips (carbon BZA bars and a 60mm Chromag stem) then ran it. The bike is astonishly light to me. Set up the Pike and used the factory baseline tune on the DBInline with 30% sag.
Just by looking at the geo charts, I didn't think the Carbine would be my thing. It's not terribly "modern."

But I have to tell you, friends, this rig is freakin' awesome.

Let me start with the things I don't like: XT brakes. Cane Creek shocks on VPP suspension. 125mm dropper posts. High Roller II as a rear tire. As far as the complete bike, the front was the tiniest bit floppy on the steepest climbs (which I can live with) and it doesn't have the stiffest rear I've ever felt.

But let's focus on what's really important. On my first ride on this bike, not set up 100% to my taste, I PR'd the descent down National. For non-Phoenicians, this is a 5+ mile technical descent, all rocks, decent drops, big tech obstacles and wide-open speed. Very common ride for me, one I've done hundreds of times. And this was on a Sunday, so high traffic levels and I didn't even have a clean run.

It doesn't hurt that it's really a beautiful bike. And did I mention light?
I did have it pinned and some of the components were complaining. The Stan's stock wheelset was definitely in pain and I think I broke about half the spokes loose the way they were pinging. I taxed the shock, bottoming it pretty regularly and heating it up pretty good by the end.
All that said, the bike was a real hoot. Despite those chainstays, I had no issues manualing, popping both ends up when I needed to, doubling up obstacles. With a good shock, this frame could be scary fast in my environment.

I had a couple poor experiences with service and build quality years ago on some older aluminum Intense bikes and hadn't really paid them much attention. I think I've been missing out for sure. I had a blast riding this bike.
What did you get for a back up bike
 
This is coming from running various CC shocks on Bronsons, Tallboy LTs and then riding this Intense. I've found I've never been able to dial out enough compression damping to make the bike feel plush. To me, CC shocks seem overdamped on VPP suspension.
My Tracer VP is extremely plush with the DBA on it, but I would like to take out even more HSC if I could - I'm at the min adjuster setting for that. (160 lb rider) Interesting, we're both seeing the same thing, if not to the same degree. I will say that the CCDBA was a big improvement over the circa 2010 RP23 I had on the bike, tho.
 
Wow. I'm surprised. I have not heard many say they like the Carbine, but that's quite a stellar review for it. I've been a fan of their Tracer for a while, but haven't considered their 29ers because of the poor feedback. I'm glad it worked out well for you. It's probably really easy to pick one of those up cheap. Maybe I'll see if I can demo the Carbine when your done with it.
The Carbine 29c is really popular with the enduro crowd in California. It's super fast and super stable.
 
Yeah it totally depends on your area and trails. I feel your pain though with the tight climbs. I'm 5'10.5 on a medium with a 7e0mm stem (will try a 60mm soon) and it's a bit of a handful. I can't imagine being on a large even though I technically should be on one. Never had an issue with not being able to lift the front end with the long chainstays... my wheel lifts during steep climbs if I put down enough torque and I can lift it while I'm riding down. My local area consists of the North Shore of BC where there are tight, twisty climbs with all-out descents, as well as fireroad climbs. The stability of this bike is what I really like about it and it's even better if you have good suspension.
 
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