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oh really?? they work good? are the RSCs good or just go ultimate?
I don't have experience with ultimates so I can't comment. I did however have some chatter with the ice tech rotors but I blame it on 2 year old rotors with the new set of brakes that have a different surface area than the shimano's. I have a set of centerlines waiting to be installed if the chatter bothered me enough but it just went away.

As for recommending one brake over another, I do like the modulation of the guides over the 785s. Shimano's are definitely easier to set up where I have to mess around with the caliper a bit to get things lined up without rubbing. This also may be because my rotors are slightly not aligned since they're kinda old now and that shimano is servowave to keep the pads far away from the rotors when the brake lever isn't engaged.

I also do all my maintenance so I have the luxury and patience to bleed my brakes. SRAM brakes do take longer to bleed but I have more control over the bleed than the shimano's.

There was one time I got my 785s running relatively fine when I completely drained the system and refilled the system. I've even put my orbital sander on the brake line (no sand paper but just to get it to vibrate) while bleeding to get all the bubbles out. I've even paid a shop to bleed my brakes thinking it was my bleeds that were bad, but they still pumped up. That's when I had enough with those brakes. Also, I went through 3 xt derailleurs because they kept getting bent (not my hanger either, I have an alignment tool to check). Now I'm on sram drivetrain.

Long story short, I was convinced through forums that shimano's were the best, but in my experience, they didn't fit the bill.
 
I don't have experience with ultimates so I can't comment. I did however have some chatter with the ice tech rotors but I blame it on 2 year old rotors with the new set of brakes that have a different surface area than the shimano's. I have a set of centerlines waiting to be installed if the chatter bothered me enough but it just went away.

As for recommending one brake over another, I do like the modulation of the guides over the 785s. Shimano's are definitely easier to set up where I have to mess around with the caliper a bit to get things lined up without rubbing. This also may be because my rotors are slightly not aligned since they're kinda old now and that shimano is servowave to keep the pads far away from the rotors when the brake lever isn't engaged.

I also do all my maintenance so I have the luxury and patience to bleed my brakes. SRAM brakes do take longer to bleed but I have more control over the bleed than the shimano's.

There was one time I got my 785s running relatively fine when I completely drained the system and refilled the system. I've even put my orbital sander on the brake line (no sand paper but just to get it to vibrate) while bleeding to get all the bubbles out. I've even paid a shop to bleed my brakes thinking it was my bleeds that were bad, but they still pumped up. That's when I had enough with those brakes. Also, I went through 3 xt derailleurs because they kept getting bent (not my hanger either, I have an alignment tool to check). Now I'm on sram drivetrain.

Long story short, I was convinced through forums that shimano's were the best, but in my experience, they didn't fit the bill.
all the guide reviews seem really positive. can't find much good on the m8000s... I'm definitely getting the guides just not sure RSC vs ultimate... my wallet says RSC and my heart says ultimate haha
 
My warranty replacements showed up yesterday. Not bad since I just dropped them off at Shimano on Monday. Mounted them up this morning and will take them for a spin this afternoon. I've got my fingers crossed that these will be better........
 
Just got off the phone with Shinamo. After one talking to one guy who was clueless.. Not sure the even knows where he works.. Lol finally got to someone who knew what was up. The brakes have a 4 letter code on a silver sticker and if the bottom 2 letters are "NG" they are supposed to be the "good version" of these brakes. So I checked mine. My front says "NG" and rear says "ND" which falls under the "bad ones". But both my brakes are having the same issue. So they said they will replace them. But I think I'm just going to buy guides.
 
Just got off the phone with Shinamo. After one talking to one guy who was clueless.. Not sure the even knows where he works.. Lol finally got to someone who knew what was up. The brakes have a 4 letter code on a silver sticker and if the bottom 2 letters are "NG" they are supposed to be the "good version" of these brakes. So I checked mine. My front says "NG" and rear says "ND" which falls under the "bad ones". But both my brakes are having the same issue. So they said they will replace them. But I think I'm just going to buy guides.
That's moving forward. Thanks for posting that tidbit. Both f/r of mine are "NE". I'm riding mine for the rest of the week and then my new 785's will be here. I'll call Shimano after I make the change and get replacements and see where that goes.
 
So took my bike in. Shimano is doing a full warrantied replacement. My LBS is crediting me full retail for the M8000s and they ordered my a set of Guide RSC's with centerline rotors and I just have to pay the difference. So I have a brand new set of 180mm ice techs if anyone wants them. Shoot me an offer.
 
Just got back from my ride. Three technical descents on this one. Brakes worked perfectly. No pumping up and good modulation. I ran them with the factory bleed.
I had them re-bleed mine today while i wait for the Guide's i had them order.. the problem is worst then before. Its so bad the bike is un-ridable. Looks like ill be on my road bike for the next couple days.
 
Waking this one up. Any changes? Any confirmed fixes? Mine have been doing the pump up thing since day 1 and I've been "dealing with it" for a couple months, now. I have bled them numerous different ways in an effort to find a magic combination, to no avail. I didn't try an off the bike bleed because if I have to do that, I'll throw these P'sOS in the garbage. Quite simply, levers should not pump up and they shouldn't need to be removed for a proper bleed. I have a new set of 785's enroute to replace these before that supply dries up. Any warranty claimers have success with your replacements or just continued pump up?
300 miles later, the spring adjustment is working flawlessly for me still. This is on the XTR M987 that I was experiencing the same issue with, so it may not apply to the M8000's. Anyone else tried this yet on a pair of M8000's?
 
Just got off the phone with Shinamo. After one talking to one guy who was clueless.. Not sure the even knows where he works.. Lol finally got to someone who knew what was up. The brakes have a 4 letter code on a silver sticker and if the bottom 2 letters are "NG" they are supposed to be the "good version" of these brakes. So I checked mine. My front says "NG" and rear says "ND" which falls under the "bad ones". But both my brakes are having the same issue. So they said they will replace them. But I think I'm just going to buy guides.
Where is this sticker located? I just looked all over mine and see no sticker. Thanks.
 
Just got off the phone with Shinamo. After one talking to one guy who was clueless.. Not sure the even knows where he works.. Lol finally got to someone who knew what was up. The brakes have a 4 letter code on a silver sticker and if the bottom 2 letters are "NG" they are supposed to be the "good version" of these brakes. So I checked mine. My front says "NG" and rear says "ND" which falls under the "bad ones". But both my brakes are having the same issue. So they said they will replace them. But I think I'm just going to buy guides.
Mine are both NG and I've got pumping up in both.....

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Geez. In the beginning I thought there were just a couple of isolated toothing problems with the new brakes. It's becoming an epidemic around here. I know this board attracts people with problems and I'm sure in the real world most are satisfied but this seems like an especially high percentage of problems, the same problems, especially for Shimano. If it continues and gets worse I hope they do the right thing.
 
Where is this sticker located? I just looked all over mine and see no sticker. Thanks.
On the bottom side of the lever body. It's a small silver circular sticker right next to the lever pivot. Looking at mine, it looked like a pivot pin mounted flush. The letters are tiny. I used a mirror and flashlight to see mine without loosening and twisting the lever upwards.
 
Geez. In the beginning I thought there were just a couple of isolated toothing problems with the new brakes. It's becoming an epidemic around here. I know this board attracts people with problems and I'm sure in the real world most are satisfied but this seems like an especially high percentage of problems, the same problems, especially for Shimano. If it continues and gets worse I hope they do the right thing.
I agree 100%. I talked to 3 people on the phone from Shimano and didn't seem like any of them really cared. I said "you guys realized there is a forum out with tons of people un happy with your products and they are un safe?" Dude didn't really care. So I said that's fine I'm buying SRAM.
 
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