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Hello everyone,


I was hoping to start a thread discussing the tire best tire combos for the Wiss.

Please share what you are running past, present and what you like best!.


I am currently running Maxxis HR2 2.3 EXO/TR front and rear on my 5010 and am looking for other options.
 
I am currently running a Continental Mountain king I 2.4 Protection on the front and a 2.25 Michelin Wild GrpR 2 Advanced in the rear. Both are run tubeless.

This combo works well in the Wiss. Good on the climbs and nice on the downs.
 
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My 29er - Tallboy LT

2015 Nobby 2.35 Pacestar Front

Old Nobby Nic 2.2 Pacestar Rear

My only complaint with this setup is on some of the technical climbs losing traction on the front tire on loose rock. I may swap out the front for Hans Dampf.
 
2.35 Hans Dampfs. Seem to work pretty well. If anyone has suggestions for tires that will magically get me to clean Plymouth Rock consistently, I am all ears. Otherwise I will have to continue to try and suck less at mountain biking.
 
2.35 Hans Dampfs, tubeless. They hook up well on rocks and dirt alike. Haven't flatted on them once*. They also seem to have a good lifespan in a park like the Wissahickon that likes to chew up tires, which is nice because they sure aren't cheap.

As for Plymouth Rock... stop sucking at mountain biking! Just kidding.

*Why did I jinx it?
 
2.35 nobby nic front and rear tubeless 22psi on my santa cruz 5010. plymouth rock is as much about technique as it is tires.
 
There are lots of different ways to ride the Wiss, so certainly there's no one-size-fits-all tire.

I've ridden Hans Dampfs there a lot and been more or less happy, but the more aggressively you corner the less acceptable the corner-knob durability is. I've run a Rock Razor rear there for a while now and have been very pleasantly surprised. (With Schwalbe tires I definitely prefer snakeskin.) Did great with a WTB Vigilante recently too. Also see lots of HRIIs, Minions, and Trail Kings, and Mountain Kings.

My never-again Wiss tires are Nics (old) and Mavic Crossroc Roam.
 
I'm running maxxis ardent 29x2.25 tires at the moment and I'd say they aren't great tires for wiss. They do ok when it's really dry, but they don't corner very well and they do poorly on the rocks if it's less than bone dry out there. Interested to hear what others are running as I wait for these things to wear out :)
 
I'm running maxxis ardent 29x2.25 tires at the moment and I'd say they aren't great tires for wiss. They do ok when it's really dry, but they don't corner very well and they do poorly on the rocks if it's less than bone dry out there. Interested to hear what others are running as I wait for these things to wear out :)
Light moisture on otherwise dirty rocks and roots will probably be the bane of pretty much any tire with less than very aggressive knobs. The only way to get reliable traction in those conditions will be a tire that sacrifices significantly the rest of the time.

Also, many of the Maxxis tires have what I call a "transitional knob void" in the tread pattern ... at moderate lean they have much less grip than straight-up or hard-over. You may find that forcibly leaning the bicycle over harder will engage more knobs and edges and get better grip. For anything slightly off-camber this applies.

But,

One of the Maxxis tires that does NOT suffer that is the Ikon, both the 2.25 and the 2.35 I have found to be excellent. For the balance of tire weight, rolling resistance/speed, grip, etc, for general riding I find it a tough tire to beat and is my hands-down favorite right now (specifically, the 3c/EXO/EXc model). By choice I'd run the 2.35 on both ends of the bike.

The Ikon is *not* my go to" tire for wet/muddy times, but damp rocks/roots don't seem to be any more a weakness for it than any other tire.

If you want something that is "trail velcro" then I'd think you should look at the Kenda Nevegal DTC, specifically with the Stick-E shoulders. I've always found that a reliable tire, at the cost of rolling resistance. As a plus it also works well tubeless and has a decent treadwear endurance.

If you want "shut up and ride" tires at a great price get online and search for the On-One Chunky Monkey and Smorgasboard tires. The former is 2.4" and the latter 2.25" - they are about 30$ each, full MSRP. Word on the street is that Maxxis makes these for On-One, on the Ardent casing. The tread pattern is much more aggressive than the Ardent though and they don't roll like pigs. They handle wet conditions very well. They both have come in a harder (enduro) rubber - which I tend to use on the back tire - and a softer (TrailExtreme) which has more grip at the cost of mileage endurance. These are the only tires I have chosen to mount three times on my FS 29er in the past 3 years (Ikon is catching up though). I have not bought them in over a year though so I can't promise anything about availability.

disclaimer: I have two 29er bikes, FS bike has OnOne ChunkyMonkey 2.4 on the front and Ikon 2.35 on the back; hard-tail has the Ikon 2.35 on the front and the Ardent Race 2.25 UST on the back.
 
I use a semi- slick out back all summer (currently a maxxis crossmark) as i find that is all i need traction wise and it rolls fast on the hardpack.

Up front I am now using a plus sized tire and can't believe how much extra traction it gives me for cornering and bombing the chunder; the extra weight doesn't bother me at all either. That will stay on forever i think!

When leaves start falling i'll switch up the back to a traditional tread with some knobs to bite through the leaves and loose stuff (a semi-slick SUCKS on leaves).

A tip for "plymouth rock" (never heard it called that; but i like it) going up the way your picture shows it; ride right up the spine in the center of it. I clear it most of the time with that technique. EDIT: I just realized you posted a video; yup just like that but with more speed ;-P
 
Light moisture on otherwise dirty rocks and roots will probably be the bane of pretty much any tire with less than very aggressive knobs. The only way to get reliable traction in those conditions will be a tire that sacrifices significantly the rest of the time.

Also, many of the Maxxis tires have what I call a "transitional knob void" in the tread pattern ... at moderate lean they have much less grip than straight-up or hard-over. You may find that forcibly leaning the bicycle over harder will engage more knobs and edges and get better grip. For anything slightly off-camber this applies.

But,

One of the Maxxis tires that does NOT suffer that is the Ikon, both the 2.25 and the 2.35 I have found to be excellent. For the balance of tire weight, rolling resistance/speed, grip, etc, for general riding I find it a tough tire to beat and is my hands-down favorite right now (specifically, the 3c/EXO/EXc model). By choice I'd run the 2.35 on both ends of the bike.

The Ikon is *not* my go to" tire for wet/muddy times, but damp rocks/roots don't seem to be any more a weakness for it than any other tire.

If you want something that is "trail velcro" then I'd think you should look at the Kenda Nevegal DTC, specifically with the Stick-E shoulders. I've always found that a reliable tire, at the cost of rolling resistance. As a plus it also works well tubeless and has a decent treadwear endurance.

If you want "shut up and ride" tires at a great price get online and search for the On-One Chunky Monkey and Smorgasboard tires. The former is 2.4" and the latter 2.25" - they are about 30$ each, full MSRP. Word on the street is that Maxxis makes these for On-One, on the Ardent casing. The tread pattern is much more aggressive than the Ardent though and they don't roll like pigs. They handle wet conditions very well. They both have come in a harder (enduro) rubber - which I tend to use on the back tire - and a softer (TrailExtreme) which has more grip at the cost of mileage endurance. These are the only tires I have chosen to mount three times on my FS 29er in the past 3 years (Ikon is catching up though). I have not bought them in over a year though so I can't promise anything about availability.

disclaimer: I have two 29er bikes, FS bike has OnOne ChunkyMonkey 2.4 on the front and Ikon 2.35 on the back; hard-tail has the Ikon 2.35 on the front and the Ardent Race 2.25 UST on the back.
Great feedback, thanks! Dealing with slick rocks is a tall order for any tire certainly. The information about the " transitional knob void" seems dead on. That really screwed me up when I first got these Ardent tires. It's manageable now, but I would prefer a tire that didn't have that characteristic....might have to try some Ikons!
 
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Light moisture on otherwise dirty rocks and roots will probably be the bane of pretty much any tire with less than very aggressive knobs. The only way to get reliable traction in those conditions will be a tire that sacrifices significantly the rest of the time.

Also, many of the Maxxis tires have what I call a "transitional knob void" in the tread pattern ... at moderate lean they have much less grip than straight-up or hard-over. You may find that forcibly leaning the bicycle over harder will engage more knobs and edges and get better grip. For anything slightly off-camber this applies.

But,

One of the Maxxis tires that does NOT suffer that is the Ikon, both the 2.25 and the 2.35 I have found to be excellent. For the balance of tire weight, rolling resistance/speed, grip, etc, for general riding I find it a tough tire to beat and is my hands-down favorite right now (specifically, the 3c/EXO/EXc model). By choice I'd run the 2.35 on both ends of the bike.

The Ikon is *not* my go to" tire for wet/muddy times, but damp rocks/roots don't seem to be any more a weakness for it than any other tire.

If you want something that is "trail velcro" then I'd think you should look at the Kenda Nevegal DTC, specifically with the Stick-E shoulders. I've always found that a reliable tire, at the cost of rolling resistance. As a plus it also works well tubeless and has a decent treadwear endurance.

If you want "shut up and ride" tires at a great price get online and search for the On-One Chunky Monkey and Smorgasboard tires. The former is 2.4" and the latter 2.25" - they are about 30$ each, full MSRP. Word on the street is that Maxxis makes these for On-One, on the Ardent casing. The tread pattern is much more aggressive than the Ardent though and they don't roll like pigs. They handle wet conditions very well. They both have come in a harder (enduro) rubber - which I tend to use on the back tire - and a softer (TrailExtreme) which has more grip at the cost of mileage endurance. These are the only tires I have chosen to mount three times on my FS 29er in the past 3 years (Ikon is catching up though). I have not bought them in over a year though so I can't promise anything about availability.

disclaimer: I have two 29er bikes, FS bike has OnOne ChunkyMonkey 2.4 on the front and Ikon 2.35 on the back; hard-tail has the Ikon 2.35 on the front and the Ardent Race 2.25 UST on the back.
Great reply, thanks!!
 
I've run Conti X Kings in the front and Race Kings in the rear for a few years. The x kings have a nice side tread that really grabs in the corner. The race kings are fast rolling and predictable. The small treads make them very supple and they form to rocks well.

Race kings are not the greatest in muddy conditions, but if it is that greasy down there, you probably should think twice about riding.
 
One of the Maxxis tires that does NOT suffer that is the Ikon, both the 2.25 and the 2.35 I have found to be excellent. For the balance of tire weight, rolling resistance/speed, grip, etc, for general riding I find it a tough tire to beat and is my hands-down favorite right now (specifically, the 3c/EXO/EXc model). By choice I'd run the 2.35 on both ends of the bike.
Are you running the Ikons tubeless, and if so is it a tubeless ready model? I don't think my Ardent tires are TR, but they seem to set up fine tubeless on a stans rims.
 
I've had a DHF up front for the past year as well and it works for me year round. Had a HRII in back, but its too dang slow in the dry season. I have always found rolling resistance is a huge factor for a rear tire and relatively unimportant up front.

Been running an Ardent 2.25 rear for about 5 months and it's not bad. Rolls fast, uphill grip is marginal, typical tire compromise. It will break away around corners if you want it too which I like in a rear tire. I would never run it up front for that same reason.
 
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