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Although not a shock change I also have noticed a similar change with my 36 just through increasing the sag on the Monarch Plus from 30% towards the 40% mark.

Is anyone looking to drop air or play with compression to compensate? I like how the fork feels as it is but at the same time I'd like to be using all 170mm.
 
Although not a shock changed I also have noticed a similar change with my 36 just through increasing the sag on the Monarch Plus from 30% towards the 40% mark.

Is anyone looking to drop air or play with compression to compensate? I like how the fork feels as it is but at the same time I'd like to be using all 170mm.
In my case, not really. I rechecked my sag measurements to verify nothing changed and I tweak my compression dials a bit, but I haven't done much to the fork.

I'm not concerned about not getting max travel everytime I use my fork. My PUSH 36 works great does and what it is supposed to do - and I know that last inch of travel is there "in case of emergency".

To clarify, I can still get max travel out of my fork, but only in those "oh my goodness I'm lucky to be alive" moments when I really needed it.
 
In my case, not really. I rechecked my sag measurements to verify nothing changed and I tweak my compression dials a bit, but I haven't done much to the fork.

I'm not concerned about not getting max travel everytime I use my fork. My PUSH 36 works great does what it is supposed to do - and I know that last inch of travel is there "in case of emergency".

To clarify, I can still get max travel out of my fork, but only in those "oh my goodness I'm lucky to be alive" moments when I really needed it.
This is very true. I'd rather have a fork that feels 'right' to the terrain than compromise the feel for the sake of trying to achieve max travel all the time and having a tonne of damping to control it.

I've hit max a couple of time for f**k, s**t moments but otherwise around an inch off, much like yourself.
 
Hi Squeaky, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the Tallboy installation. One would wonder if 135mm travel would justify a coil over shock. A hesitation perhaps.

So you took the leap, tell me, were the pros worth it. And how did it impact on the TBs capability - I guess I'm after what degree of improvement did you notice.

Nice
 
Just a guesstimate on my part but I think it would dramatically increase the range of a lower travel bike. It really reinforces quality over quantity of travel which I have never said before. With this kind of suspension I could actually imagine enjoying a 125 travel bike.
 
Hi Squeaky, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the Tallboy installation. One would wonder if 135mm travel would justify a coil over shock. A hesitation perhaps.

So you took the leap, tell me, were the pros worth it. And how did it impact on the TBs capability - I guess I'm after what degree of improvement did you notice.

Nice
Salespunk's reply above is pretty much spot-on.

The TBLT really suffers from the air-shock "hammock effect". Basically, it's really tough to get an air shock to perform well in both initial travel and end-stroke while still preserving the mid-stroke. Air it up to prevent mid/end stroke spiking and the initial travel feels like crap. Lower the pressure to make the bike more subtle on smaller hits and then it spikes on deep-stroke hits. And in either case, there's little support in the middle leading to dreaded mid-stroke wallow, which is inevitable with any air shock on the TBLT (having ridden that bike for 2 years and having my suspicions validated by seeing the suspension curves at PUSH based on their analysis)

The suspension feel with ELEVENSIX on the TB is amazing and CONSISTENT. No more sacrificing one part of the suspension spectrum at the expense of another. It's just smooth. Like with my Nomad. the bike rides higher in the suspension and feels more balanced on steep descents. And while the absolute travel hasn't changed, the bike certainly "feels" like it has a lot more travel because I'm not dealing with awful end-stroke ramp up.

So, yeah, it's definitely worth it!

Bragging rights: that's my LTc on the Push homepage:cool::thumbsup:
 
Quick update, I love this thing more every day. I went from using less travel on my fork to using almost all of it. I am carrying more speed on the descents now that I am trusting it and just smashing through sections. It also climbs really well. I have set quite a few top 3 personal times since I switched over despite the 1 lb increase in weight. I have not touched any of the settings and really don't plan on it either.
 
Just a guesstimate on my part but I think it would dramatically increase the range of a lower travel bike. It really reinforces quality over quantity of travel which I have never said before. With this kind of suspension I could actually imagine enjoying a 125 travel bike.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, and also with Squeaky's summary of why the ElevenSix is such a revelation on these VPP bikes. (I have it on a Nomad).

That said I'm not sure this thing will be a panacea on all bikes. Tallboy LT and Nomad both have the VPP leverage curve, which is regressive-flat-progressive. This makes them GREAT for a coil, which has a linear force curve and amazingly low breakaway force for small bumps.

Other bikes, like my HD3, have more typical flat to slightly regressive leverage ratios. This works great with air shocks, which have progressive compression curves (they get harder to compress deeper in travel). Darren from ElevenSix alluded to this over on the Ibis board, noting that tuning for the HD3 is still a work in progress due its falloff deep in travel. Tough to give a coil good bottom-out resistance on this bike I'd imagine.
 
Here's a couple pictures for Darren.

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Called Darren on Tuesday. Ordered that evening. Tech Talk on Thursday. On my doorstep this morning......simply awesome ordering experience.

I'll add to the "Awesome Shock" dogpile, after I get some more time on it. I will report that the only knob I touched was the Valve Selector Lever, which was a sublime revelation; the whole set-up was spot on out of the box. Oh, and I bagged a top 7 on a rutted, blown-out Motto trail, plus some PR's.

Kudo's to Darren, and his team. He has some very talented professionals, that "get it" on several levels.

Special shout-out to Angie, for making sure my Elevensix got here today....Thank You :thumbsup:
 
Here's a couple pictures for Darren.

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Called Darren on Tuesday. Ordered that evening. Tech Talk on Thursday. On my doorstep this morning......simply awesome ordering experience.

I'll add to the "Awesome Shock" dogpile, after I get some more time on it. I will report that the only knob I touched was the Valve Selector Lever, which was a sublime revelation; the whole set-up was spot on out of the box. Oh, and I bagged a top 7 on a rutted, blown-out Motto trail, plus some PR's.

Kudo's to Darren, and his team. He has some very talented professionals, that "get it" on several levels.

Special shout-out to Angie, for making sure my Elevensix got here today....Thank You :thumbsup:
:thumbsup::thumbsup: We have some great people for sure!

Posts are always better with pics! Thanks!

Darren
 
First run out on mine. Not ideal conditionstions wets and slippery on top of a full day skiing yesterday so legs were toast. Only thing I adjusted was adding a couple of turn of pre load. Base line one turn yielded approx 38% sag.
Firm yet controlled is my initial observation. I will re check sag. Not sure what one turn equates to % sag-wise. Didn't re check as I was short on a pair of hands to help.
Climb setting or smooth swoopy mode as I was after was prob too firm for roots slippery climb today. The dh mode worked perfectly fine.
So compared to what is have been running - Bos Kirk this is firmer in compression but I have always know I tend to ride on the soft side. Aim is to leave completely alone for a few weeks.

Oh I ought to add that acces to one of the trails has a small section of steps - that yielded and oh my god feeling. They completely disappeared. It field I was riding a bit of corrugated cardboard rather than greasy wooden steps
 
Looks like you fit it in there with a bottle? I tried but found I had just a bit of interference with the bottom of the coil.

Took mine out to the bike park yesterday, WOW. Definitely amazing, and definitely feel like my Fox 36 isn't keeping up. I dropped a of pressure from the fork and added 2 clicks of LSC, which helped.

 
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