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The big advantage is being able to position the bolt in the optimal position in for the hose to clear the frame/forks, so you don't have to have the hose going through some stress increasing bends to enter the caliper body itself.
 
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Ah! the pictures are back - in triplicate :lol:

Thanks mods!

Are the seals replaceable? Have you found similar seals? Could they be replaced with O rings?
It would be simple to replace the seals, but unfortunately Shimano don't sell seal kits like most other brake manufacturers :mad: I haven't looked into whether other brands seals or generic seals would fit, but if they're the same size and made of a material that doesn't react to mineral oil, there's no reason they shouldn't. Normal 'O' rings wouldn't work, it needs to be a square profile for the piston retraction mechanism to work properly (see above explanation of operation).

Question. Is there an advantage to using banjo bolts? It seems not all shimano brake sets use them, usually as they go up in price. Are banjo bolt equipped brakes worth the extra $$$$?
There's three advantages to banjo bolts that I can see:-
1. As Kiwiplague mentioned, they allow rotation of the hose attachment joint to allow more flexibility on positioning
2. Reduces the number of openings in the calliper, and therefore potential for leaks
3. Less parts in total, therefore reduced size/complexity/weight
Like everything on bikes, I guess its a tradeoff in terms of weight/cost/functionality that only you can decide is worth it. The gold standard is a one-piece caliper like the M985 - light, small, minimal points of failure - but expensive to manufacture so you pay for the privilege!

Do you have one on "how hydraulic disc brakes work" in general?
Fraid not - but the only other part of the equation is the lever assembly, and if I ever have the need to take one of those apart I promise to add it to this thread!
 
Thanks for the article.
Since Shimano does not sell internal parts, I would try an industrial supply store which specializes in O rings etc. The best thing is to disassemble the caliper, clean it and take it to the store. Unless Shimano is using non standard seals (unlikely b/c it will be more expensive for them) there is a chance of finding replacement seals. If a piston is damage then a new caliper will be needed. You can buy the cheapest model which uses the same piston and transfer it to an upper model. My 2 cents. Bye
 
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Cenzobear has it in a nutshell, but maybe I can expand a little.

But first let me issue a disclaimer that the following description only applies to two-piece callipers that have a banjo bolt type fitting. There are one piece callipers like the XTR and older XT, and other two-piece designs that don't have a banjo bolt like Deore, M446 etc. which will differ.

Anyway, the two halves are just bolted together with a bolt at each end. One of those bolts is the hollow banjo bolt which serves three purposes - joining the two halves, attaching the hydraulic hose to the calliper, and allowing fluid to pass through it and between the two halves of the calliper. A small 'O' ring sits in a recess to seal around the point where the banjo bolt passes between the two halves of the calliper. No other sealing is required as this is the only point fluid crosses between the two sides. Quite a smart design really - minimal points of failure!

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And for completeness here's a picture of the banjo fitting. Not my photo this time, just one I found on the Web. But you can clearly see the slot in the thread at the bottom of the banjo bolt which allows it to tighten the two halves of the calliper together, whilst still allowing the oil to flow past the threads and into the calliper internals...

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Hello
Can you explain how you managed to get the ceramic pistons out. When I squeeze by brake leaver without the brake pads inserted, the pistons don´t come out enough for to pull them our
 
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Hello
Can you explain how you managed to get the ceramic pistons out. When I squeeze by brake leaver without the brake pads inserted, the pistons don´t come out enough for to pull them our
Good question!
I get them out as far as possible while the calliper is still attached to the brake lever, by removing pads and gently squeezing the lever repeatedly. One piston will always want to come out before the other so I hold this one in place so the other one comes out as well.
Otherwise, if you've already detached the lever and hose, you'll need to put a blanking bolt in the banjo bolt hole (new callipers sold separately come with one installed in that hole) and attach a bleed hose and syringe to the bleed nipple and push brake fluid into the calliper with the syringe - mimicking the action of the brake lever.
Once you've got them as far out as possible by either of these methods, split the two halves of the calliper, and you'll have enough exposed piston to grip with a wrench and gently ease it out the rest of the way by rotating and pulling out at the same time. However, do this very carefully as the ceramic piston is actually surprisingly delicate, and can crack quite easily if gripped too hard or twisted in the bore of the calliper.
Likewise, be very gentle putting them back in, and make sure they are aligned perfectly parallel to the calliper wall before you push them in with a flat preferably plastic implement (I use a plastic tyre lever).
Good luck!
 
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Can you please explain how to take apart the lever? Just broke mine ))=: I was using a hole punch and hammer to get the pin on the lever off. And, broke the reservoir where the lever attaches...
You don't mention the make or model, but assuming yours is one of the recent Shimano levers like XT/SLX/Deore then there is a small grub screw that holds the lever axle in place - part 7 on the diagram below. I agree it's not easy to spot as it's hidden in a recessed hole behind the lever and covered by a rubber plug! It undoes with a 2mm hex key then the lever bolt should push out easily.

If you've broken the cast body of the lever unit, I think your only option now would be a whole replacement lever unit, but you can pick up an SLX online for about US$30 if you shop around a bit. Otherwise the diagram below also lists all the various part numbers, and the general rule with Shimano is that if there's a part number listed for it then you can order it from Shimano as a spare thru your LBS.



Original diagram can be found here: http://si.shimano.com/php/download.php?file=pdf/ev/EV-BL-M675-3394.pdf
 
Thanks for the quick reply!! Wish i would've asked this Q before i broke them... I have the xt m785 but can't find that screw??

And, yes i did brake the cast body ))=: Thought the pin on the lever had to be forced out with a hole punch.. I feel like such a DICK.

Just ordered the complete part for $45 That's the cheapest i found.
 
Man!! I'm a DIY person...But, for the life of me i can't find that screw cause where it saying it is, it's just a small hole... By the looks of it... the only way to remove the lever is by banging out the pin... Which is how i broke the darn thing...
 
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At the bottom of that hole is a small black rubber plug covering the grub screw head. You need to fish the plug out with a sharp tool - I use a seal pick, but a paperclip or toothpick would do in a pinch. Then you can insert a hex key and undo the grub screw.

Here's a close-up from the parts diagram for the M785 lever showing the screw and its cover, labelled #8 in this case:-

 
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