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Which level of F34 do you have? There are 3 different versions/levels for Fox. Friend has the Evolution (ie. lowest end on his Rumblefish and stiction right out the box was horrible, but it has improved quite a bit now he's had it for a few months and done some good miles, but still not like my Kashima F34.

This weekend I finally found some time to tinker with the settings. LSR is easy to feel, but LSC is really hard. I think it is due to the high amount of stiction that my forks have. I almost cannot feel the LSC over the stiction. It's so bad that when I compress the fork a bit and then vary the amount of force (by slightly bouncing up and down), you can see the handlebars deform at bit, but the fork stays at the same level. This was actually the main reason to get the avy cart, but that didn't fix it (obviously). I know it's not the damper cartridge, because that is smooth as butter.

So what to do about that stiction? Does the fork need more break-in time? I think I have about 30 hours on it (also pre-avy cart). Or is this amount of stiction normal for a Fox Float 34 CTD?
 
And of course they would say that, wouldn't they ;) There's definitely a difference in how the different levels feel, especially Kashima vs None, but maybe the newer lower end models have different seals, but know that what I've felt on the F34s on 2 SJ FSR Elites and the one on the RF Elite, definitely very much stiction right off the bat, my Kashima coated , not an ounce. Try as suggested and lube up the seals real good.
Yeah, Evolution for me too. Low-end stuff indeed. Avalanche said though that the kashima coating was a bit of a gimmick and didn't really provide less stiction.
 
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I do believe that kashima is only available on forks with the higher end damper. The damper has more to do with the crappy feel of the fork than the kashima coating.
Yeah, but I already upgraded the damper, so that's not it.

Have you checked the sizing of the fork bushings?
No, I didn't check them. Is there a problem with bushing size? And how would I check the size? Is there a description, or simply measure with a caliper?
 
Hey Zonoskar,

Are you doing the parking lot test with the bike right out of the shed? IMHO horizontal storage requires a couple of minutes of riding (...impacts) for the lube oil to get all over the place. My Altitude is stored horizontally and it's always a bit sticky in the beginning. Got 6 months of riding on it. Yet my Element hangs vertically. Consequently the oil is always between the upper and lower bushings from the get go, so it appears smoother from the first pedal stroke.

Note my Element's F32 120 had new (tighter) bushings placed at some point, and these were so tight this has accelerated wear, so 'tight' bushings is probably not the cause. If you want to measure you're in need of calipers or sending off to Sabma.

NB: If the Ava cartridge isn't doing it for you and it will ft 650b, hit me up with a PM of FB or an e-mail, I'd be happy to help you recover most of the cost :)
 
No, I didn't check them. Is there a problem with bushing size? And how would I check the size? Is there a description, or simply measure with a caliper?
I'd strip the fork down and remove the two wiper seals and foam rings, clean the lowers of all oil and check that the bushings are not tight. Each fork will be different so its where I would start IMHO.
 
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Hey Eric, yes, my bikes are always stored on their wheels, right way up. The avy is working fine, it's the fork that's sticky. I'll take Rick's advice and strip the fork. Hopefully this weekend.

/edit: found some time. Removed the lowers, cleaned the wiper seals and foam rings, they were not very dirty. I would have been really surprised if it was different. I lubed the upper bushings, i couldn't get to the lower ones. Also lubed the seals and foam rings and reinstalled everything. Stiction is a hair lower, but not much.

Could the stiction be due to the air seals in the air chamber? The fork is buttery smooth at 0 sag, but at 3cm sag it is not anymore and like I described. I'll take the bike out for a quick spin tomorrow to see how it handles.
 
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Yes, there is enough oil on top of the piston. I recently added a whole bunch (20ml I think) of red rum to decrease the air volume for more progressiveness (to simulate the Push air volume reducer top cap).
 
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I tried a few things (strip the fork, use a super slick lube on the lowers), but I think I gave up. A Pike is high om my want-list. Only thing lacking is funds. The only thing I want to try is increasing the air volume by modding the piston in the air chamber. My LBS said they might be able to do this, depending on how the inside of the stanchions is shaped.
 
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