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how much to carry in saddle bag when racing?



I carry: a spare tube, 3 tire levers, and a small glue-less patch kit (aside from a one pump, mounted, and a 20 oz. bottle of cytomax water mix, and/or 40 oz of hydro pack, depending on length of race - usually about 20 miles - and the heat).
 

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TrailNut said:
how much to carry in saddle bag when racing?



I carry: a spare tube, 3 tire levers, and a small glue-less patch kit (aside from a one pump, mounted, and a 20 oz. bottle of cytomax water mix, and/or 40 oz of hydro pack, depending on length of race - usually about 20 miles - and the heat).
it all goes in my jersey pockets.
left pocket: multitool
center: spare tube, CO2 cartridge & nozzle
right: extra gus & asthma pump

1 bottle cage on the bike with a diluted energy drink

a new bottle and a gu from the feed zone on each lap.

race length ranges from 25-35 miles depending on the course.

no camelbac.

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To be nonest I carry nothing, I run tubeless tires

TrailNut said:
how much to carry in saddle bag when racing?



I carry: a spare tube, 3 tire levers, and a small glue-less patch kit (aside from a one pump, mounted, and a 20 oz. bottle of cytomax water mix, and/or 40 oz of hydro pack, depending on length of race - usually about 20 miles - and the heat).
All components on the bike are in perfect working condition, or near new. This is racing you should come ready to ride including your equipment.

On my sons bike we run one tire iron, one rube and a single 12grm co2 cartridge. We run stans on his bike so no real flats anyway. We havent had a single race flat in 28 combined races. I think two thru flats in 1.5 year of riding.
 

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I second the nothing...

I bring one 20-22 oz bottle of accelerade and a gu flask if race is longer than 1.5hrs. I run tubless so no flats (knock on wood) and therefore don't carry anything. I'll probably get the shaft one of these days like i did last year having to run the last 3.5miles of the course at a 24hr race. Maybe its time for stans now that i think about it...
 

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Ditto on the no-bag

tube, CO2, and master link (!) are all I carry for repairs...... despite running tubeless, I've flatted with sealant. BAD "pinch flat" one time, on a hard rock edge at crazy speed. Bashed the rim right through the tread & sidewall, like a huge snakebite! 10 gallons of seaslnt wouldn't have helped....

water bottle & gu flask with homebrew energy goop, diluted for easier ingestion. The flasks are great as you have no wrappers to deal with and wont get sticky fingers.... just don't drop it!
 

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Big Air with nozzle strapped to the seat post
2 plastic tire levers and a 5 mm allen wrench (for bolt-on skewers) taped to the Big Air

light tube in the center pocket
gel flask in the right pocket (easier than packs for me)

last race had 2 20 oz bottles of gatorade

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Hey buddy! Sounds familar, eh?

Big Air with nozzle strapped to the seat post
1 plastic tire lever and a 5 mm allen wrench(for bolt-on skewers)and a Power link(note lump under large section of innertube over BigAir can in pic), both being under a piece of inner tube and the mnting strap(around the bottom of the allen and tire iron) inself to the Big Air.

light tube in the center jersey pocket wrapped in a ziplock with a rubber band around the whole thing. Easy and fast. Nothing more. 19 times outa 20 its gonna be a flat or broken chain.

Waterbottles with Acceleraid. I HATE packs for racing, and don't like seat bags. Heavy and slow to use.

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never carry my car keys

mward said:
I carry everything in a camelback. Seems a lot of people don't like them, I really dig it. Anyhow, for racing in my camelback mule:

crank bros multi tool
2 co2 cartridges and inflator (one inside the inflator)
one tire lever
spare tube
car keys
i use the cyclists' "secret" hiding place - either under the back bumper or tossed in one of my bike trays (depending on how exposed the parking area is). and usually, i leave my car unlocked anyway.

this way i never have to worry about losing my keys somewhere on the course.

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I like a CB for trail/epic stuff, but the extra added weight on the legs(64oz=4 pounds juat for the water part) during the course of race is a big bummer. And they make a measurable difference in rider comfort..ie heat buildup. Large surface area. Also, try a Bigair. The can is as light as 1 small co2, which we know is usually not enough, so you have to carry 2. I also love my Crank Bro multi tool for all riding, except racing. Way too heavy for what one will prob need in reality for a given race.

Edit-I place my keys in a hiding spot as well, on my truck. One less thing to lose or add additional weight...or fall on.
 

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TrailNut said:
how much to carry in saddle bag when racing?



I carry: a spare tube, 3 tire levers, and a small glue-less patch kit (aside from a one pump, mounted, and a 20 oz. bottle of cytomax water mix, and/or 40 oz of hydro pack, depending on length of race - usually about 20 miles - and the heat).
I keep my racing weight as low as possible.

I keep my bike in perfect condition. I do a pre ride check the night before ; tire pressure, lube chain , and look for anything that might be wrong.
Regular care keeps the bad things from happening.
1. one bottle 16 oz bottle
2. one 16 oz bottle 1/2 full (back up on long races or few feed zones)
3. Big Al co2 pump
4. light tube
5. gel stored in each leg

My girlfriend goes to all major races so she has the keys and the other stuff like the trainer I use for warm ups. All that stays in the car. I also use a cooler to store my drinks in so they stay cool.

Here is my opinion:
If you get a fix it problem that will take forever to fix(chain, dr.shifting) you are pretty much out of the race. I don't bother to bring fix it tools. That is why I always go through my bike, each ride, daily.
The other factor to me which is important is your POWER TO WEIGHT ISSUE.
I don't want to carry more weight which will work against me in races. So I hate Camelbacks. They weigh a alot and with 40 oz of water that is about 2.5 pounds of weight. One 16 oz bottle is less than half of that weight. I fill the bottle about half way and freeze it then fill the rest with water right before the race, that is refreshing.

I know if I get two flats I better kiss any good finish away. I have never brooken a chain or had major issues. I have flated before but practice changing a tube makes you faster at it . Good Luck , enjoy the races.
 

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I have never brooken a chain or had major issues. I have flated before but practice changing a tube makes you faster at it . Good Luck , enjoy the races.
At 2003 24HRS. at Moab, Jimi Mortenson (factory Specilaized ass-whooper) broke a chain on the first lap, and STILL had one of the fastest lap times of the whole event. I saw the mechanics for Specialized going over the team bikes the whole time. Absolutely in perfect working order, every lap, and still a chain break. The terrain we race on in the rockies can beat the crap out of even the most dialed-in ride. It goes without saying your bike should be tuned to perfection for racing, as it may help prevent problems, but not always preclude there occurence!
 

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OK you got me thinking

I always race with a camelback because it's so much easier to drink water. Here is a question for the weight weenies....If you put 2 16oz bottles of water in a camelback mule whats the weight penalty. Or in other words how much more does the mule weight compared to 2 water bottles??? I have a scale, but i've never gotten this anal over the whole thing. I need to drink lots or I cramp real easy. I can't beleive were talking about a lot of weight here.
BTW I carry a spare tube , levers, co2, GU in the pants leg and my car keys are nice in safe in my camel back.
 

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It is kinda crazy isn't it? LOL! In reality tho, the bikes still carrying it just the same. took me awhile to get over it. I mean the humanity even.
 

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Yeah the bikes are still carrying it but somehow it's different. Because you can change your position on the bike and load the tires differently, it feels like less weight. If the weight is on the frame like waterbottles then you don't get to change that when going over logs and whatnot. I don't personally think 6 pounds is going to make a difference for me. I'm not competitive at a level where 6 lbs is going to matter. 60 might.
 

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Heres the deal

The trick is getting that 2+ pounds(900+gms) of water off your legs, plus everything else which DOUBLES that value. Everytime you put weight on your legs, your also acting like a suspension platform for ALL that weight, which can times-square on gravity stuff, which is constantly happening as we all know. Add a tube(100-260gms). Then usually if ones using a CB they end up carrying a whole multi tool(180gms), tire irons(30gms), keys(35-200gms), plus the average CB(say a Mule) is over a pound easily empty(454gms). co2(2 if its the little tubes) and value(150gms). =1979gms if I split the middle on the tube and keys. Thats over 4+ pounds of static(dead) weight(after subtracting my ultralite tube in my jersey pocket) on your legs extra thats not there otherwise. PLUS, that bigass surface area on your back makes a huge difference in the ability to conduct heat away from the body. Don't you think this huge benefit, coupled with all that weight that your legs have to also shock absorb for, will make a difference over the course of a 5 lap Expert race? You bit your arse it does. I know it does for my 3 lap Sport races. At least for me it does. The 3rd big benefit is mentally I have an edge cause I'm always concious of this, rationalizing that I've optimized my load the best I can. I LOVE my packs of reg rides, but racing I've tried both and never went back afterward.

The main and last barrier is getting over the idea of it being harder to drink from. This was my toughest to get past. It IS at first. But that soon goes away after a race or two. You become concious, and then..automatic, on when and where to drink. Its easier in some ways cause you don't have to suck(while your otherwise dying), just sqeeze and gulp like hell.

Also, if and when you have to access your pack for a mechanical...you first have to stop...unbuckle its 2 straps...wiggle out of it...open it up....dig for your items....use them....stick them back in and zip it all up....wiggle back into the pack...find and buckle both together again, find and fix the valve thingie so its hanging right...yada..yada..When I stop I've already got my tube in my hand. Zzzzzip goes the velcro and the BAir and tool is in the hand as well. Bam. Its all there ready for action. Then stuff the used tube back in a jersey pocket, and even the BA as well if ya want, or loop and velcro it back. Takes like 5 seconds. MUCH faster.

The idea of the bike being lighter without the bottles and BigAir strapped to it and such, is just that, an idea. Its all an illusion. Thats from a dude that races a 21+lb NRS. Thought it was blasphamy to put a full water bottle on it at first. But it SAVES a huge net amt when done right, asside from being cooler the entire race.

But, this could all just be me, eh?:)

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You *******s!!!!!!!!!!

:) I'm actually re thinking my race set up using the c-back...your messing with my Mojo! Bock, how the heck does your c-bak weight so much? Is that empty or with h2o? Duck, I agree if you have a mechanical it's faster to have everything in you jersey, so I'll give you that. In terms of drinking out of a bottle vs the c-back, I can't imagine how it could be the same with the bottles. I road ride a lot, and use the bottles and it's just not as easy in my opinion. But lets get back to the really mundane stuff. WHat is the true weight penalty for using a mule vs to water bottles? I'll get back to you with that tomorrow. I have a screw loose,... I have a scale and I know how to use it :cool:
 

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so you've done the work

mward said:
Man those are some good points. That's the most cogently I've heard the waterbottle/cb argument put thus far. It seems none of the pros are running camelbacks but I wonder if that's because they're heavier or if because they're slower to accept newer technology. I may carry the little camelback next time, the hydrobak. It weighs 360g empty. Twice as much as 2 bottles empty. I just don't dig reaching down for bottles.
using the hydropack is 180 grams more then 2 empty water bottles?
 

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Man those are some good points. That's the most cogently I've heard the waterbottle/cb argument put thus far. It seems none of the pros are running camelbacks but I wonder if that's because they're heavier or if because they're slower to accept newer technology. I may carry the little camelback next time, the hydrobak. It weighs 360g empty. Twice as much as 2 bottles empty. I just don't dig reaching down for bottles.
 
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