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I have an '04 Haro X3. It has 6" in the back, but the DJ2 fork beats the crap outta me on rough/fast downhills (it's fine if all you want to do is drop retaining walls...). I will primariy be riding rough/fast downhills, NS type stunts, and smaller (say 6-8' at the most) drops (none to flat, I have learned my lesson).

I am trying to nab a Super T or a Z-150 while they are cheap (end of season). I plan to do it in a week or so. The Haro warranty rep I talked to recommended sticking with a single crown fork and to keep the travel less than 6 inches (so it is balanced), but I am not convinced. I don't think the bike is very balanced due to the mediocre bump absorption of the DJ2 (read: rough on trails).

Any advice?
 

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Any advice?[/QUOTE]

If you want a single crown = Z150

If you want a doble crown = Jr. T

If you want 6" travle = Z150

If you want 7" travel = Jr. T
 

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VIA said:
Any advice?
If you want a single crown = Z150

If you want a doble crown = Jr. T

If you want 6" travle = Z150

If you want 7" travel = Jr. T[/QUOTE]

Whatever you do, dont get a JrT, the Z150 would be a much better choice because of the superior damping and it would also match your frame better.
Darnit VIA, you always mess up the quote feature..
 

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Yeah...I've got an 04

Master_Jako said:
i dont know, when i rode my friends 2004, it bottoms doing a bunny hop and kept on making a klanky noise in mid travel....wierd...and yeah, geta z150...the one with ETA is better. BTW, his fork is band new.....somthings up? do you have an 04 too?
It's funny, I noticed a clang too, but only after I dropped a 4' retaining wall to flat. I bought the bike on the strength of my room mates 03 8.2 hard tail, but I think I am going to be building a new bike next summer anyway.

I thought the Haro would be a steal and after riding nothing but BMX street for a year and a half (since I broke my last bike) and I thought that it would last for a while...

I think that the DJ 2 is spec'd on too many of the new 1600-1800 free ride bikes out there (I almost bought the Big Hit with the same fork...). It is only really good for drops and DJing. When I talked to the Haro guy, he told me as much. The air preload just made it ride worse. I tinkered with it alot and have come to the conclusion that I need something better. I am starting to think a Z150 too. My VP-free is going to get an 888 or 66.

It's kind of ironic, but I spent the last two years of college trying bikes out and when I finally get a real job and money, I bought the X3 on the strength of a parking lot demo (and little else)... I just didn't realize how hard I could actually ride.
 

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ezweave said:
I have an '04 Haro X3. It has 6" in the back, but the DJ2 fork beats the crap outta me on rough/fast downhills (it's fine if all you want to do is drop retaining walls...). I will primariy be riding rough/fast downhills, NS type stunts, and smaller (say 6-8' at the most) drops (none to flat, I have learned my lesson).

I am trying to nab a Super T or a Z-150 while they are cheap (end of season). I plan to do it in a week or so. The Haro warranty rep I talked to recommended sticking with a single crown fork and to keep the travel less than 6 inches (so it is balanced), but I am not convinced. I don't think the bike is very balanced due to the mediocre bump absorption of the DJ2 (read: rough on trails).

Any advice?
The X3 isn't designed for a dual crown fork. I'd follow the rep's advice and get a Z1 FR or Sherman Flick or Firefly.

The problem with the DJ2 is that it has primitive damping designed for one-hit absorption. That's why it's called the Dirt Jumper. Its damping can't handle rough DH, it packs up and then beats the crap out of your hands/forearms/etc. It works great for urban riding and DJs but NOT for trail riding and especially not sustained technical rough DH.

Simply moving to a nice damping system with 5" travel up front would make WORLDS of difference. Trust your Haro rep. He's on the money.
 

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It's funny, I noticed a clang too, but only after I dropped a 4' retaining wall to flat. I bought the bike on the strength of my room mates 03 8.2 hard tail, but I think I am going to be building a new bike next summer anyway.

I thought the Haro would be a steal and after riding nothing but BMX street for a year and a half (since I broke my last bike) and I thought that it would last for a while...

I think that the DJ 2 is spec'd on too many of the new 1600-1800 free ride bikes out there (I almost bought the Big Hit with the same fork...). It is only really good for drops and DJing. When I talked to the Haro guy, he told me as much. The air preload just made it ride worse. I tinkered with it alot and have come to the conclusion that I need something better. I am starting to think a Z150 too. My VP-free is going to get an 888 or 66.
my friend does all sorts of drops and now hes selling the fork (2004 jr.t) cause it just could not handle them... as for the dirtjumpers, i used to ride a 03 dj2 and it was good for dirt jumping and drops and street, but thats all it could do. its sensitivity sucked, and was not very plush(its the ssv damping)...i never bottomed it either--even on 8 to flat...very tough/ stubburn fork, but it sucked for trails...now im using a 03 monster T and its simply a great fork. for you, it all depends on how much travel you want. if your going to buy the z-150, buy the one with the ETA...trust me.....the 888 and 66 will be great forks for your bike too, but i would wait until 05 for the new 888, and till midseason 2005 to buy the 66---wait until people review its peformance...good luck.
 

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Master_Jako said:
my friend does all sorts of drops and now hes selling the fork (2004 jr.t) cause it just could not handle them... as for the dirtjumpers, i used to ride a 03 dj2 and it was good for dirt jumping and drops and street, but thats all it could do. its sensitivity sucked, and was not very plush(its the ssv damping)...i never bottomed it either--even on 8 to flat...very tough/ stubburn fork, but it sucked for trails...now im using a 03 monster T and its simply a great fork. for you, it all depends on how much travel you want. if your going to buy the z-150, buy the one with the ETA...trust me.....the 888 and 66 will be great forks for your bike too, but i would wait until 05 for the new 888, and till midseason 2005 to buy the 66---wait until people review its peformance...good luck.
Getting an 888 or a 66 would be next year for a whole other bike. I am still going to grab a Z-150 for my Haro. I would like a Super T, but I am not sure how that would feel on the Haro. The DJ is definitely durable and hard to bottom out, but it is no good for trails. It can be harsh at lower speeds on ladder bridges too.

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The X3 isn't designed for a dual crown fork. I'd follow the rep's advice and get a Z1 FR or Sherman Flick or Firefly.

The problem with the DJ2 is that it has primitive damping designed for one-hit absorption. That's why it's called the Dirt Jumper. Its damping can't handle rough DH, it packs up and then beats the crap out of your hands/forearms/etc. It works great for urban riding and DJs but NOT for trail riding and especially not sustained technical rough DH.

Simply moving to a nice damping system with 5" travel up front would make WORLDS of difference. Trust your Haro rep. He's on the money.
I just put a 05 Firelfly on my Bullit. It had adjustable travel and has 150mm total.

I need a DC fork with 170. Let me know if you want to buy it. It has an uncut steerer tube and has only about 5 miles on it.
 

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The 04 Haros may be different, but....

th' wrench @ my LBS told me Haro doesn't support dc forks. If warrenty is a concern, go Z150. I'd go Z150. Heard nothing but good about it. Jr. T not so desireable. Good feedback on Jr. T is far & few between.
 

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get the z150. i finally put mine through it's best workout to date and all i can say is when properly setup it handles 11' drops like butter. 5 5/8" travel used on a slight front wheel hit when properly setup. with the same setup i hit the big rhythms at gunbarrel no problem. let all the air out (or go with a little, like 10psi or less) and change the rebound and it kills the dh and trail. very adjustable. i sat their and tuned until it did not bottom on the 11 footer but did not buck or feel harsh.

anyone who rides this fork big will realize not only does it hang with dh forks it is more progressive than the super t, the sherman slider spv and breakout plus, the boxxer, the shiver, the white bros junk. its not really a high speed dh fork but can kinda hang at that. it just kills at freeride, trail and dj though. the fork is soooo adjustable i was just shocked today. my buddies were all using full travel on the drop, even slightly bottoming (dorado, slider spv and breakout plus spv). the z150 does not need spv it's valving is just as impressive if not more so. i had like four noseish landings (one short and three long). z150 laughed, even when hitting the 5-8 footers that had slightly soft landings. i even dead sailored once juanjo style and slapped the fork down after a ghetto rear wheel first landing (on a 7-8 footer). no static lockout no bottom the fork laughed again. i never got the sense with the z150 i was gonna land a drop and wash out or get bucked. simply amazing. im guessing the 66 may be the best fork ever if it can top this. the air assist feature on the z150 though is what makes this fork so special. although i never really dialed in my 01 monster t perfectly, it never showed the progressiveness on drops the z150 did today.

the z150 gives me the confidence to leave the dh bike at home and ride a 6x6 bike with my dh/freeride friends (who all kill on 7" plus fr and rear bikes). i only found that out today but it was a nice revelation.
 
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