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Its not really a bike that deserves a nice fork, but hey, its all I can afford at 14 years old. Its a mongoose pro zero g3 (not that same crap you buy at walmart) and I can get a dual crown stratos fork with 7 inches of travel for fairly cheap, so I mite as well do it. Do you think it will work? I think it will, I just want some input.

http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/2002_Full_Suspension/product_85408.shtml
 

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oreo321321 said:
Its not really a bike that deserves a nice fork, but hey, its all I can afford at 14 years old. Its a mongoose pro zero g3 (not that same crap you buy at walmart) and I can get a dual crown stratos fork with 7 inches of travel for fairly cheap, so I mite as well do it. Do you think it will work? I think it will, I just want some input.

http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/2002_Full_Suspension/product_85408.shtml
it's not the best of ideas. i'd guess that it'll rip off the headtube pretty quickly. the bike just isn't made for a 7" fork, not strengthwise or geometrically. it'll jack up the front end and bottom bracket a considerable amount. on top of that, you'll also have to buy a new front wheel because the stratos fork uses a 20mm thru axle, you have a QR right now.
my opinion is that you'd be better off either putting that money into a decent 4 or 5" fork, or upgrading the brakes/drivetrain, or just using that money to save for a new bike.
 

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god ******! Is there any way that I could make the headgroup stronger, or do somthing to it so that doesnt happpen? I don't even have that much money in the bank right now to get a 1000+ bike, and getting a job will take take forever to get money. Let me just let out my anger right now................................................God ****** ****** mother ****** **** **** **** Son of a *****. The only way for me to make money, is to buy into one of those internet scam things.
 

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All right. ****. Im going to have to buy a big hit or somthing. Whats the cheaest freeride bike out there?
Do you mean 'cheapest' or 'cheesiest'? It could make a difference...

You're 14. Not hard to determine that based on the tone and language of your posts. Your spelling of curse words is probably impeccable, but it's hard to tell because all we see are asterisks. At any rate, you've got plenty of time left to break every bone in your body. Why try to do it all at once?

Take a deep breath, stop spinning and vibrating long enough to listen, absorb and appreciate some of the advice given here. If you really want to learn to be a great rider instead of becoming known as that crazy kid that crashed his Frankenstein bike and now has the baddest wheelchair on the planet let alone, at your HS, sell your Mongoose and look for something like a Giant STP or a Specialized P series bike. These are beefy hardtails that are made to take some abuse and some models are closer to half of $1000. I said they will take some abuse, not unlimited abuse. Then learn to ride, jump and land properly. The trick is to do it without breaking yourself or the bike, but you need the proper tools for the job.

Any moron with a high tolerance for pain can do some WA stunts, but there is this little thing called 'life after the age of 25' that insurance companies pray that you will get to sooner rather than later and that you will hopefully make it to in a physical condition that lets you enjoy riding long after you reach maturity and that day will come sooner than you think. This includes skills as well as hardware, not just gonads. A full face helmet and full body armor sound like they would be prudent investments as well.

If you just gotta do what you gotta do, at least ask your parents if there is a lifetime limit on their medical and dental benefits. This could be important.
 

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yeah hard tail way to go.

you learn to ride so much better on a HT. plus they cheaper. look at the Haro 8.1's or 8.2's. the 8.2 is around 800 and the 8.1 is like 500 or 600. they have great frames and desent components. i just got the Haro 8.3 and it kicks ass.
 

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you learn to ride so much better on a HT. plus they cheaper. look at the Haro 8.1's or 8.2's. the 8.2 is around 800 and the 8.1 is like 500 or 600. they have great frames and desent components. i just got the Haro 8.3 and it kicks ass.
I think there is a lot of wisdom in getting a decent hardtail, especially at the price point you are looking. But, if you have your heart set on FS - here's an idea. I was at my LBS and came across some Diamondback bikes. I've never been a fan of DBR, but these bikes were selling at amazing prices considering the components. The XTS 04 model was, I believe, in the ballpark of $900. It's pretty sturdy, but heavy. The components are decent. The model above it was selling for $1299 or so. Here's a pic. You may also try used bikes - some great deals on ebay, mtbr, and pinkbike. Good luck and enjoy whatever you end up riding.
 

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it's not the best of ideas. i'd guess that it'll rip off the headtube pretty quickly. the bike just isn't made for a 7" fork, not strengthwise or geometrically. it'll jack up the front end and bottom bracket a considerable amount. on top of that, you'll also have to buy a new front wheel because the stratos fork uses a 20mm thru axle, you have a QR right now.
my opinion is that you'd be better off either putting that money into a decent 4 or 5" fork, or upgrading the brakes/drivetrain, or just using that money to save for a new bike.
DITTO!
Amping a 4" to 7", crap!, double crown is not needed because the frame does not suggest it can handle the terrain double crowns usually tackle.

DON'T DO IT!, you'll put you and your only good bike at too much risk.

3" extra:
- Rise front end (need new stem to compensade)
- Rise BB height (lose standover height= more knackerage)
- Uneven travel differance between front and rear (buggered handling)
- Overslack headtube angle (slack handling)
- Overstressed head junction (bye-bye headtube, and one very injured (or dead) oreo321321)
- Double crown hamples steering angle range (problem in my oppionion, can't pull off trackstands consistenly)

oreo321321, if you got cash (even if it's not much), here's the go:
- Bloody good brakes (no use trying to explore 7" front travel, if you fcuk up)
Front disc brakes: hydro 1st choice, mech 2nd choice cheaper, just as good, get good Speed Dial brake levers to maximise their potential, hydro or mech either if you have disc hubs, don't spend money building a disc wheel just to use them. Rear disc: if you're desperate.
If you're going to still run rim brakes, switch the pads to a cartridge system and play around with different pads. Now when you grind your pads to 'nothing', you can get your brakes back within a couple of minutes.
- Kick arse drivetrain, upgrade to higher end stuff, use twist or triggers your choice
- Drivetrain related as well, a quick-release chain, now you can maintain it a whole lot better
- Tune your fork to your specs, adjust damping oil weight, get springs to suit your weight, you'll be surprise how much better suspension performs when they suit you. (personally I would ramp up the rear shock's preload (I think that's the only adjustment you get) to reduce pedal-induced bob, and ride the bike like a softtail.
- Clipless pedals, and you can now climb like you never could before
- Grippy and comfortable grips
- Tubeless conversion like Stan's No Tubes, only like you have disc brakes or very strong rim brake wheels, cos with tubeless, you'll (I would) bomb and huck to see if you can get a puncture.
- If you're going to build wheels, please build them strong, get as many spokes and crosses as you can, good strong high quality rims and sealed disc hubs.
- Experiment with different tyres... width, tread design, compound, casing and use wire bead tyres to keep cost down.

Take a deep breath oreo321321... exhale. Now don't stupid things!, do crazy things like 1 metre drop and break stuff (your bike). If you can't land properly, then 7" of front travel is useless.
First learn how to ride hard, break stuff along the way and upgrade while replacing. Shift less and pedal harder in the saddle, go to your local BMX track and learn to jump and land properly.

Here's a good idea, keep a jar where money go in and doesn't come out until you use it for an emergency to revive your bike. Over time you'll have a hundred or two, and when you fork 'explodes', you won't be depirived of your bike for months.

I'm still 17, I've got a low-low paying 'job'. I'm still learning to pedal properly, singlespeeding soon, I go to my BMX track and huck away.
 

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Its not a problem knowing how to jump, I use to race dirtbikes until about a year ago, and I go to skateparks frequently on my BMX. I may be able to rake in about 1000 dollars, so Im not as broke as I thought I was.
 

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Its not a problem knowing how to jump, I use to race dirtbikes until about a year ago, and I go to skateparks frequently on my BMX. I may be able to rake in about 1000 dollars, so Im not as broke as I thought I was.
Let's see... $1000... keep $200 aside for emergencies... leaving $800 or less to be on the safe side.

- Get springs for your weight and tune the fork accordingly
(Online prices following...)
- Disc brakes, Hayes HFX-9 series $100 for the front wheel.
- Very good rim brake, Avid Single Digit 7 $40 usually, I've seen as low as $25 for the rear.
- Lever for rear brake, Avid Speed Dial 7 $50 usually, I've seen $40
- Tubeless conversion, Stan's No Tubes 'XC' $55-60
- Cos you like to huck, then fat platform-clipless pedals like Crank Brothers Mallet C or Time ATAC Z around $90-100, ride 'clip'-in or not your choice
- Shoes to use with them, Sette Enduro $40 (from Price Point)
- $100 on tyres, depending on where you shop and what you pick, you can get 2-8 tyres for the $100.
So far... it's $450. Leaving $350 or less to be safe.
Now here's where I become really biased...
SRAM drivetrain:
- X-7 shifters $45
- X-7 rear derailleur $50
Price Point is offering packaged together X-9 twist shifters and rear derailleur for $115 or in trigger format $125. I would wait a few months more while SRAM releases their own front derailleurs.

Warning: Please use the above as a guide, don't go mad on a spending spree.
The top five points are enough, forks tuned just right for you, brakes that stop you and puncture-'proof'ness that allows low pressures=more grip.
 

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oreo321321 said:
Its not a problem knowing how to jump, I use to race dirtbikes until about a year ago, and I go to skateparks frequently on my BMX. I may be able to rake in about 1000 dollars, so Im not as broke as I thought I was.
A couple years back out in Moab, I drank a few beers with this guy. He strongly felt that there are many riders using suspension to overcome a lack of skill.

His recommendation was to start with a hardtail and work your way up to 6 inches in front and rear. He contends that any suspension over 6 inches is simply skill compensation.

Earlier that day, he was dropping off of 9 foot drops with his 6" suspended bike........ one handed, with a cast on his broken arm.

They guy's name? Wade Simmons. I guess he's fairly credible. If it's good enough for him, it's more than likely good enough for about 99% of the people who ride.

Hope this helps.

Ken

P.S. A small piece of unsolicited advice: People tend to lose credibility when they cuss for the sake of cussing. Everyone here knows how to say or type fück, shît, dåmn and all the other cuss words you can think of. I understand that you're frustrated, but throwing down a salvo of cuss words doesn't really help you get to your end goal: Finding the right fork/bike combination for your within your budget. Focus on that and leave off with the cussing.
 

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poor?

You think you have to scrounge around for money because you're only 14. I'm 30 with a wife, two kids, house, etc. and I wish I had the spending money I had when I was in my teens. Heck, I just sold my BMX bike to pay for road bike upgrades!
 

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Ken in KC, the cussing was just a joke, it was about that I could'nt afford a DH bike, I could have said something like "im going to go jump off a cliff now because i want a DH bike so bad" instead. It was just a joke.
 

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I know I'll never go beyond 150mm travel, too heavy for my style of riding (even if it's a Maverick DUC32 fork).
The dream bike (the FR one) will be an Id with RS Pike and Fox RP3 rear shock, full SRAM drivetrain, strong-arse wheels. Hope disc brakes & Race Face bits.

Aaa... the day when I finally make it to North Shore, I know it will be on a 6" full-susser. The day will come... I'll just have to be patient. God bless Canadian for saving MTBiking.
 

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Check this out, for $1000 at adrenalinebikes.com the KHS Fetish DH50.
I know nothing about the DNM fork but I do like the Romic rear shock. Problem with KHS 'huck' bikes is their bulging top tube= knackerage, why invert the functional downward sloping top tube?. And I'm no fan of single-pivot bikes.

Man you must be a tall 14 year-old to ride that bike.
 
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