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Do the Dew!

Relax son... get a good education, find a lucrative source of income that doesn't crush your soul, and one day you'll be a rich guy that rides an S-Works! Trust me bruh, it's pretty rad. And it doesn't get babied at all.
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Bro.

Bontrager wheels on an S-Works, riding around on your bailout gear...

I really hope you don't ride that heap through any drive-throughs!
 

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Huh? No respect? I read the OP's post and all I can say is "huh?".
 

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Might be that mountain biking is nothing to be respected for.
I was starting to formulate a lecture about all that is wrong with his thinking (there's a lot) but then I had to remind myself that he's only 15 and is going through a learning process.
Lots of fast food joints refuse drive-through service to bicycles. The OP may get more respect at the drive-through when he is old enough to drive through the drive-through.
I have my provisional license, just sayin brah
 

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This is a very long read but something that needs to be addressed.
Something that has come to my attention in the past couple of months is why mountain bikers and the sport in general doesn't get any respect from the general public?

I'm 15 and I'm going to my sophomore year of high school, so there is lots of judgy people all around me. Whenever I or one of my close friends mention that I mountain bike it is for some reason made fun of or not respected until I mention that fact that I also ride moto occasionally. Then people are like, "Oh that's actually cool." This really strikes me as strange because of the close similarity between mountain biking and motocross.

I noticed the same thing when me and my buddy go through drive thrus when we are riding. When you go through a fast food place on a mountain bike, I get no respect and even a bit of disrespect from the employees. However, when we go through a drive thru on motos, even electric surrons with mtb parts, they get mad respect from the cashier and even the guy or girl at the next window. In fact, lots of the terms that mountain bikers use are borrowed and/or derived from motocross. Case, roost, brap, whip are just a small portion of these. I have noticed that this is also the same thing for BMX. BMX somehow gets the respect it deserves and mountain biking doesn't. Same thing with moto. They are all extreme sports where there is a much increased chance of injury compared to sports like basketball, baseball, football and soccer (coming out of a basketball players mouth and with much respect to the other sports). They are sports that involve machines with two wheels and all of them are impressive in their own right, especially at the very pinnacle of each of them. There is an identity crisis and there's too many disciplines to be the same sport.

So my question to you guys is why do you think there is this gap in respect from the general public compared to other sports on two wheels?

Is it because people associate mountain biking with road biking and assume it is a bunch of assholes with spandex and power meters that cut off cars? Is it because most mountain bikers are assumed to be weird nature hippies?

I might piss people off but I am not with the crowd of people who have the outmost respect for our trails or the guy who respects the wilderness boundary. I like to roost, because it looks cool. I throw tables and whips on every lip I can pop of off and ride fast on the downhills. I'm not the guy with the safety vest and the mirror mounted to the bars. I'm the guy that blowing past hikers when they don't move. I'm not the rich guy with an sworks enduro be babied on greens and blues once a month. I build jumps on the side of the trail that get destroyed by forest service or hikers, and when they do, we build them right back up. It's not because I'm an asshole who hates nature. It's not because I have no respect for the trail. I just desire to have the most fun I can and the most freedom I can have.

Mountain biking needs an identity change that commands respect instead of being the hippie rich lame old man sport which it is right now. When I was first starting out, I was the definition of a joey. I rode around on my brand new specialized rockhopper with kneepads and a backpack and highlighter gloves and helmet. I tended to overestimate my ability and label my riding style as aggressive when it was soft. I really was the perfect example of the type of person who wasn't going to go into wilderness area or do anything against "nature," so I understand the people who think like this but it really doesn't make that much sense to be sensitive about that. It creates extra work for volunteers and forests service workers. But that's what they volunteered to do and that what the forest service workers are PAID to do. As someone who has built berms and jumps, I know what it's like to go out and see your work destroyed or damaged. But that's what is supposed to happen. If there is ruts in my berm from or jump from people riding in the wet, instead of getting mad and complaining online, I go, damn they were shredding. And I fix it because it's MY WORK that I signed up for by building it. It's not land scaping it's mountain biking damn it. This is the exactly the type of mentality that limits creativity and the growth of our sport.

Mountain biking is a sport without structure, just like moto and bmx. Of course, there is the racing side and commercial side of each, but that doesn't take away from the unstructured side like the industry does in mountain biking. We have all of these media companies and youtubers/sponsored riders saying not to roost or not to disrespect the trails or not to go in wilderness areas. You should donate to you mountain biking advocacy group in your area. Don't build where you're not allowed too! All of these do nots. All giving mountain biking this structure which seeks to lock people into the mold as a nature hippie mountain bike purist. Then, when a persons locked into this they want to make their riding more exciting and go out and buy new ****. When I walk into my local bike shop I see the reps trying to sell a middle aged lady an enduro or nomad with a 64 degree head angle and a 8k price tag. I don't see real people in the media. I see outlets having contrasting reviews on the same generation of the same bike with no changes in geo or suspension kinematics. I don't see youtubers as being real at all. They promote anything and everything to keep feeding themselves and the industry just like the rest of social media.

When I looked this question up a little while ago, I saw a single tracks article saying that mountain biking needs an identity change. I agree. Quote from singletracks.com, Mountain Biking Has an Identity Crisis... And it Affects Us All - Singletracks Mountain Bike News

The next point in the singletracks article almost suggests that slashing a berm is somehow unethical. And here is where our sport begins to split in two. Singletracks states that the industry has a "brick wall of money," and that being an exception bicycle rider is somehow comparable to the way companies use advertisements that provoke a sexual response from the audience. How are those two even comparable?

So singletracks is telling us to act a certain way and to our bikes ride a certain way because to do otherwise is unethical and wrong, and ride our bikes this way because it is good. This really reflects on the whole bike industry. Notice how the industry is so quick to defend a certain side of mountain biking. The side that appeals to the wealthy and the willing to spend. The side that is less advanced. The side that makes lots of money on the expensive end of the spectrum. This has an effect on new riders, just like it did on me. These being the impression that I had of mountain biking led me to believe everything they said. Seeing my happiness skyrocket and seeing the benefits take hold and change my life made me trust everything that I said even more. I was convinced that I needed kneepads, gloves, a shammy. I learned everything about bikes on the mechanical side, but nothing about riding. Constantly thinking I had problems with my bike, I was always in the shop buying tools and components. This is exactly how they make their money.

We need to take our side of the sport into something that accurately represents those of us who strive for greatness. Those of us who have the desire to experience the most freedom we can possibly have through a bicycle. Us who are addicted to gravity and the intense sense of freedom that the progression provides us with. Not just those who are advanced in skill, but also those who are not advanced in skill, but have the desire to ascend to the highest level of mountain biking that they are capable of. The ones who loose sleep over not hitting that drop today. Those who are pushing the sport forward.
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Bro.

Bontrager wheels on an S-Works, riding around on your bailout gear...

I really hope you don't ride that heap through any drive-throughs!
But they're carbon bruh. Shredtastic.

They do kinda suck though. Rear bonty hub imploded, so rear now has a DT Swiss 350 laced with straight pull spokes and ceramic bearings.
 

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This! Once you stop worrying about your appearance and begin taking confidence in yourself you’ll be better off. And ironically that confidence to be your own person will make you attractive to others.
Hear, hear!
 

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But they're carbon bruh. Shredtastic.

They do kinda suck though. Rear bonty hub imploded, so rear now has a DT Swiss 350 laced with straight pull spokes and ceramic bearings.
Bro, I’m warning you!

If I see you out on that abomination while I’m shreddin’ the gnar I’m going to hit you with you so much roost that you’ll be picking it out of your freaking spandex for weeks!

From that moment on, the sound of a hydra hub will send shivers down your spine.
 

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