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No. Couple of technical features of the singletrack back ups the whole race.
Your only chance is to race up to the front or if you finish within 1 hour of the top racer - get the front corral ticket for next year.

Personally, I rather warm up riding than stand for hours. Last year I started dead last, the cop escort had to wait for me. I finished 240/600. Not doing that again. This year I am planning to line up no earlier than 30 minutes before the start and do some stretches. Then gun it on the road to get up front.
 

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If you get there 30 minutes before the start, aren't you going to be at the back of the pack? What time would I need to get there to get in the front half of the field at the start? Thanks.
 

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I did the 25 last year and started just back of the "faster group" I lined up about 45 min early. This year I am doing the 50 and I am not sure where I will line up. Frankly I don't care that much. The way I see it is that there will be a bottleneck and you will stop. There is plenty of time to beat the other riders on paved road if you really want get there first, but will still probably get caught in a bottle neck. So be it. I think any time you lose in 50 at the bottleneck is less important than time you lose on the climb out of skull valley. So run out of gas on the climb from skull valley and you lose any gain from faster start. If you think you can place highly the maybe there is more planning, but for me I want to finish. Last year I cramped badly on cramp hill and lost alot more time and places than from the bottleneck. Remember when the bottleneck happens all the riders around you are stalled too so it semi neutralized. If you blow up you do that on your own and everyone will pass you.
 

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Good luck... and have fun ! ;)
And be sure to ***** and moan about how shitty it is to be stopped during a race, and how ridiculous it is that all those people in front of you are not riding their bikes, and how miserable of a ****ing time you're having... And huff and puff a lot as it that's going to make folks ride faster...
 

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And be sure to ***** and moan about how shitty it is to be stopped during a race, and how ridiculous it is that all those people in front of you are not riding their bikes, and how miserable of a ****ing time you're having... And huff and puff a lot as it that's going to make folks ride faster...
you forgot about *****in' about the entry fee too...
 

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If it were my race and everyone were paying over $100 or such I would do the following:
1. Let people start anytime between 6:30 and 9:30 and use RFID timing. Your time is automatically calculated. Yes, it costs more. (And make sure you have enough water at the rest stops for people starting at 9:30)
2. Stagger the start in 15 minute increments over 90 minutes (six waves) - I would rather be waiting at the start line than the single track


Given the popularity no need to do any of this, but at some point people are going to stop coming back.
 

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Those are both fantastic ideas! Maybe the organizers will do something someday.

And to all the 25 milers an hour behind the leaders, on the last 8 mile downhill - be sure and scream and yell "trail!" , "move over!", "let up on the brakes!" to every exhausted, queazy-stomach 50 miler you come across that is going slower than you want to go. It is a race after all, and you can still win it! It's easy to make up an hour on that last downhill pave into town.

After 4 years of riding the 50, I'll be skipping the Whiskey this year, even though I paid the entry. It was way too humiliating last year on that last 8 miles.
 

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Yes, they fixed it. All you have to do is ride fast in the beginning. It helps to be on a "team" too.
 

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The last 8 miles is downhill singletrack, actually lots of fun, I've done it many times on weekend trips to Prescott. Unfortunately, the 25 and 50 mile races combine at this point. Exhausted 50 milers, fresh off a 12 mile climb, get to share the trail with middle of the pack 25 milers who still think they can win. Last year I got the pukes halfway into the downhill and had to slow a bit. Very humiliating being the cause of a "slowdown" in a race I wasn't even entered in (the 25 mile)!

I won't be back with the current format.
 
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