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Scott in Tucson
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Anyone recognize this piece of Milagrosa?

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Here it is looking the other way. Which of these rocks doesn't belong with the others?

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Lame. I'm fairly impressed by the diligence, though. It must have taken 3-4 strong dooods to unearth and move that sucker over there (the 4 foot wide rock in the foreground). It's definitely evidence that the cleaning and rockstepping on Milagrosa is done by mountain bikers, for mountain bikers.

Thanks a lot guys. If this kind of thing continues I'll be able to ride the whole thing. Yeah, I'd like to be able to ride the whole trail, but not by cheating like this. If you want to come move rocks, head out and help us build new AZ Trail in January.
 

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Elitest thrill junkie
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Post the pictures at the trailhead, suggest to the persons that are doing the santization that if they are looking for easier trails, they should go ride some pre-existing trails rather than ruin the experience for us. I used this technique with great success. Be agressive, post the pictures, ask anyone observing these activities to report them to the land manager.

And find 3-4 strong dudes to go out and move the rocks back.
 

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Scott in Tucson
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Jayem said:
Post the pictures at the trailhead, suggest to the persons that are doing the santization that if they are looking for easier trails, they should go ride some pre-existing trails rather than ruin the experience for us. I used this technique with great success. Be agressive, post the pictures, ask anyone observing these activities to report them to the land manager.

And find 3-4 strong dudes to go out and move the rocks back.
I like the picture posting idea. There isn't really a trailhead, but such information could be posted at the turn-off from FR 36A.

It's not a system trail, so the land manager (USFS) is unlikely to care. It's a cow trail, and a damn fine one at that.
 

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Scott in Tucson
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CrazyEye said:
What Trail is this?
It was on the first line of my post. Milagrosa -- the "Miracle" ridge trail.

Found on the east side of Tucson, it puts the perfect capstone on a Redington, Chiva, AZ Trail loop. People also shuttle it from the Catalina Highway/Molino side.
 

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Evil Patrick said:
When we find that someone has been sanatizing, we try to reverse it if at all possible.
Let the weak walk.
The opposite of sanitizing

dynamite-

puts the trail back the way it should be :D
 

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Sadly more to come.

Its all been said before, a mainstream trail will suffer sanitization as more and more people with differing skills feel they must ride it because it is the fabled toughest trail in town. SoMO has suffered it and Milagrosa is not immune to it, particularly with the influx of new Tucsonans.

We noticed that particular modification last weekend and had a sad laugh about it. We use the existing rock ramp there as a nice jump. Next time well try and pull it out as it may send the message to the perpetrators that their work isn't appreciated and maybe they'll see the light. SInce we reseeded the rock garden the folks who cleaned it out have not wasted their time again.

Definately agree with you Scott that it is MTB'ers, likely novice DH/FR types looking for a way to clean the trail/make an "obstacle" rideable.
 

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What we have here

...is a failure to communicate. Or educate.

Until a few years ago I would have thought nothing of "improving" a trail by moving stuff around. Not because I was some rude, ignorant arsehole - at least not all three at once - but because it never would have occurred to me that someone else actually wanted the challenge. Maybe that's both rude and ignorant, fine, but the point is that as soon as it was clear to me that I was infringing on someone else's fun factor I would never even consider removing (what for me was) an obstacle in the trail.

Maybe the best approach is to post a notice, a friendly notice, that the trail is supposed to be a challenge and some people like it that way. I suspect that the majority of the ignorant masses will pay heed.
 

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Scott in Tucson
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Rock Punk said:
...is a failure to communicate. Or educate.

Until a few years ago I would have thought nothing of "improving" a trail by moving stuff around. Not because I was some rude, ignorant arsehole - at least not all three at once - but because it never would have occurred to me that someone else actually wanted the challenge. Maybe that's both rude and ignorant, fine, but the point is that as soon as it was clear to me that I was infringing on someone else's fun factor I would never even consider removing (what for me was) an obstacle in the trail.

Maybe the best approach is to post a notice, a friendly notice, that the trail is supposed to be a challenge and some people like it that way. I suspect that the majority of the ignorant masses will pay heed.
I think you hit the nail on the head here.

Not all so long ago (relatively speaking) I once removed some obstacles from a trail that I considered "impossible." I foolishly thought that everyone else deemed said trail impossible as well and that they would be happy with the improvements. Then I met a rider who was far better than I (there is always some one, no matter how good you are) who scolded me out for it. It ruined his experience. I learned.

That's one objective of posts like this. Of course, the actual rock movers are unlikely to read this, but it helps generally spread the notion. I think Jim's (Jayem, or whatever his name is) posting idea, but with a friendly message is the way to go.

Thanks for the comments.
 

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Move it back

Move it back out of the way. Then for added empahasis put pungee sticks on the otherside, for when they come back. That will teach them! :D :D :D I have never had the opportunity to ride milagrosa and I hope it is still as challenging, as fabled, when I finally get the chance.
 
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