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I gotta say when I was first considering a 29er, this was THE place to get info. Great posts. pics and a friendly atmosphere with others who wanted to help.
What happened over the last few years?
Seems like we've all become "ride a 29er SS or you suck" zealots.
I see alot of differing opinions on here of types of frames that should be built, pro's on a 29er, mainstream media and 26 v. 29, and I gotta be honest, if your opinion doesn't jive, you get thrown under the bus (or bike). And alot of it's hypocritical.
I miss the love.
 

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Too much love will kill you.

I don't see people's problems. Don't confuse chat with love and discussion with war.

Where do people express them in terms of "ride a 29er SS or you suck"? I missed that.
 

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toddre said:
I gotta say when I was first considering a 29er, this was THE place to get info. Great posts. pics and a friendly atmosphere with others who wanted to help.
What happened over the last few years?
Seems like we've all become "ride a 29er SS or you suck" zealots.
I see alot of differing opinions on here of types of frames that should be built, pro's on a 29er, mainstream media and 26 v. 29, and I gotta be honest, if your opinion doesn't jive, you get thrown under the bus (or bike). And alot of it's hypocritical.
I miss the love.
Meet you at the trailhead for a big ole Brokeback Mtn. smooch and hug? ;)

All kidding aside - I hear you loud and clear Toddre!

After all the discourse - the bottom line is to enjoy the sport of mountain biking. Whether one does it on a tandem, unicycle, hybrid, hardtail, FS, SS, 26"er, 29"er or recumbent - the love is the act of riding.

Most have tried it on various types and styles of bikes and come to the conclusion that they have narrowed it down to what really works best for them and makes them feel comfortable. Gotta love that - and you have to love the process of reaching that conclusion of what works best for them. Swinging a leg over a big hooped bike brought a little more love into my riding.

Is SS for everyone? No.
Is 29"er for everyone? No.
Is 26"er for everyone? No.
Is rigid for everyone? No.
Is FS for everyone? No.
Is a unicylce for everyone? No.
Is a recumbent for everyone? No.
Is a tandem for everyone? No.

Full disclosure: I personally ride a KM, a Sugar 293, a 1989 Trek Antelope 820 (for commuting), a Burley Koosah recumbent, and a Cannondale MT 800 tandem. And I enjoy every ride - whether the weapon of choice is or isn't the most appropriate and best piece of machinery.

Discourse is healthy. Love has been known to not always be healthy. :cool:

In riding, love and discourse - always wear protection...

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I think a lot of it is because people will post topics that kind of bash on 29'er a bit and people feel passionatly about their bikes etc. Most people on the 29'er forum do indeed own said 29" bikes so it no surprise when someone questions 29'er we get a bit fanatical hahahaahaha. I love the 29'er "movement" if you want to call it that. In the case of the guy w/ the Dean bike, More people were concerned that the guy got ripped off and that the frame was not a sound build. Sure you have people who post nasty comments, but go to the Downhill/FR forum, things can be much more civil here.
So I agree more love/more ride pics etc. Here ya go. my man
 

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Last week I wrote a post explaining an idea I had to have a "purse" for the highest placing pro on a 29er at a NORBA Nationals funded by this forum. All I got was attitude and ridicule about "who cares what racers ride?, why should I finance a pro?"
Then when I wrote a letter to RC it was "who cares what he thinks, he's mainstream media, he's a wanker etc."
Then a few posts down there are people BEGGING for more product. Well unless a company is going to get some sort of mainstream attention thru Magazines or racing, they ain't going to do it most of the time. They're not making this stuff for fun you know. As much as anyone hates to admit it, racing breeds technology and hopefully better product. Then this product is fetured in magazines (by the way, I hate MBA as much as the next guy on here)
We've become a bunch of hypocrits.
 

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I must have missed that post.

Hey, I'll gladly contribute an Andrew Jackson to that pot/purse if you are still organizing it. I'd contribute even more - beer and eats - if a Clydesdale finishes in the top 3 in beginner and sports class in more than 5 races this season on a 29"er. Now that's real riding and more interesting to me than NORBA Nationals. :D

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I don't think it's worth the effort anymore just to get flamed in here
 

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toddre said:
Last week I wrote a post explaining an idea I had to have a "purse" for the highest placing pro on a 29er at a NORBA Nationals funded by this forum. All I got was attitude and ridicule about "who cares what racers ride?, why should I finance a pro?"
I must have missed that post.

Hey, I'll gladly contribute an Andrew Jackson to that pot/purse if you are still organizing it. I'd contribute even more - beer and eats - if a Clydesdale finishes in the top 3 in beginner and sports class in more than 5 races this season on a 29"er. Now that's real riding and more interesting to me than NORBA Nationals. :D

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I've only been looking at mtbr for a couple of weeks, so I don't remember the "good ol' days," but what I've seen so far is a little bit of everything: some really helpful folks with a lot of patience and expertise, and some insecure loudmouths who treat this place like it's a members-only club. As long as you can separate the wheat from the chaff and avoid going head-to-head with the zealots, there's still a lot of sound information to be found here. I avoid the hardcore "my way or the highway" types the same way I avoid any evangelical fundamentalist. They're usually too devout to be credible. :)
 

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Joe Sausagehead said:
I've only been looking at mtbr for a couple of weeks, so I don't remember the "good ol' days," but what I've seen so far is a little bit of everything: some really helpful folks with a lot of patience and expertise, and some insecure loudmouths who treat this place like it's a members-only club. As long as you can separate the wheat from the chaff and avoid going head-to-head with the zealots, there's still a lot of sound information to be found here. I avoid the hardcore "my way or the highway" types the same way I avoid any evangelical fundamentalist. They're usually too devout to be credible. :)
well put.
mtbr forums in general have been sliding this way for a bit...it is not a 29er exclusive...too bad b/c there are a lot of people new to the sport (mtb in general) (not to mention those new to forums - who don't know how to 'search') that are scared to post a question or have an opinion. yes it is a fact, i have the emails and pm's to back this claim up...it is sad.

we all benefit when the sport grows, yes even at the risk of becoming 'mainstream'.
toddre thanks for bringing this up.
 

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toddre, I for one loved the purse idea- although I dont follow racing at all... Id still throw some money in the pot :D
 

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I look at the forums to see pics of dudes riding their bikes. A year ago I was in the market for a bike, but now I have a bike so I don't really need gear and try not to read too much about it, just look at pics. I like Jone's bikes, but I can't lust after something that expensive and exclusive. How complicated does a bike need to be anyhow?!?!

After you get the bike and start riding then it's all about passion and the 29er aspect isn't really important.

-M

nuff said heres a pic,
 

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http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=170734

NowI'm getting the tingly all over feeling again
Toddre,

That post is a perfect example of addressing at least some of the issues you raise about this particular forum and what it may have "become" in the space of time between 2003 - 2006.

Yes, it was the ending to a nice story for warm fuzzies.

Plenty of posters on this forum such as Cloxxki, Nate, MikeSee, BigWheel, Padre, (and many more) etc... on and on have tirelessly answered questions posted by those considering 29"er's. Be it information or opinion on the platform itself or delving into geometry, forks, tires, wheelsets, handling, custom builders, test rides and on and on. The FAQ slowly was assembled and contained a lot of the information that kept on being repeated as each newcomer came to the fold out of curiosity.

After a while, it obviously became energy draining to post for the umpteenth time information that had been covered time and time and time again. I was lucky and asked questions back in 2003 before everyone had been drained of their posting energy - yet heeded the advice of BigWheel, Mikesee and Cloxxki who summed it up more or less by saying "throw a leg over one and see for yourself".

After it is all said and done - that is literally the single best piece of advice anyone can contribute to a poster who has the curiosity and is asking questions - or debating opinion.

We could say the same advice for the endless discussions on this wheel size versus the other wheel size. In the end, throw a leg over each and see what turns your crank. When you find what turns your crank, enjoy it. Life is short. It doesn't really matter which wheel size turns your crank - as long as your crank gets turned, right?

Back to 1-track-mind...

Feel free to go back and count the number or threads that 1-track-mind posted with his curiosity and quest to consider the world of 29"er. He started no less than 24 threads and garnered 100's and 100's of posts from all of us with our opinion, advice, experience on the bikes and suggestions as he tried to narrow down what to buy - if buy at all.

Some of his threads were entitled: Resale value of 29"ers, Fisher Montare, Fisher Cobia, Fisher Paragon, Fisher X-Caliber, Dos Niner, Sugar 293, Entry level 29ers for the masses, SS-29er connection, Inbred/Monocog/X-Caliber, 29 vs 26, Question for 29er owners, Dos Niner Hombres, Best 29er to minimize walking, Super Cal-Sugar 293, The plot thickens..., The Chronicles of Ninera, First time 29er buyers, Big but quick?, Full squish pricing, Buying 29ers sight unseen ?, 1x9x29, Southern Comfort, 29ers and back pain, Steel 101, ss 29ers in NC, 20" Soma Juice build, etc... .

In the end, what happened after all of that research, opinion, thought, sharing of ideas and experience? If I followed the story correctly, he bought the first 29"er he threw his leg over following his first demo ride. 100's and 100's of posts about all matters 29"er of this model versus that model and what to do and on and on - and it could all have easily been summed up by simply saying:

"throw a leg over one and see for yourself"

He did and he bought the first chick he danced with on the floor.

That doesn't address all of the concerns you raise, but as the dance floor gets more crowded - it is a given that tempers will be shorter and the warm and fuzzy discourse will include more perceived negativity if different conclusions are drawn. But in the end, it's the riding that is the most important. Throwing your leg over whatever piece of metal attached to rubber doesn't really matter if it gets you out in nature and enjoying the sport.

My warm and fuzzy begins next week as spring break hits and I get 9 days away from teaching! My bikes are all tuned up to go and I've thrown my legs over them enough to know I will be happy on my rides. :cool: Only hard part is choosing between the Black Hills or a trip to ride the Berryman. I figure Maah Daah Hey will be out due to early spring weather, but we shall see.

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Early on in his quest, I told him to "just grab one for a test ride already" and he replied that it was impossible since there were none near him. I found eight dealers within two hours for him, and I'm glad he called them, but to no avail. After coaxing him for awhile, I became convinced he was not going to ever try it when he said he was going to buy a close-out Iron Horse instead. I am just glad he stuck it out and took the drive to find a test bike. He seems very elated now. Even if he had discovered that the bike was not for him, he would at least have tried it for himself.

I have to say that I feel kind of proud for 1-TM today, like a father who finally got his kid to like vegetables.
 

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I didn't drink the coolaid, but I'll not ride a 26" wheeled bike again. I've liked the big wheels better for a few years now. Some guys don't. I say choice is good, and really liked it best when I had the only 29er in town (I could live if the only tire was a Nano, altho I am loving my Exi/Nano setup). Soon the brake bumps will change to a 29" wheel's frequency...
 

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Toddre,

That post is a perfect example of addressing at least some of the issues you raise about this particular forum and what it may have "become" in the space of time between 2003 - 2006.

Yes, it was the ending to a nice story for warm fuzzies.

Plenty of posters on this forum such as Cloxxki, Nate, MikeSee, BigWheel, Padre, (and many more) etc... on and on have tirelessly answered questions posted by those considering 29"er's. Be it information or opinion on the platform itself or delving into geometry, forks, tires, wheelsets, handling, custom builders, test rides and on and on. The FAQ slowly was assembled and contained a lot of the information that kept on being repeated as each newcomer came to the fold out of curiosity.

After a while, it obviously became energy draining to post for the umpteenth time information that had been covered time and time and time again. I was lucky and asked questions back in 2003 before everyone had been drained of their posting energy - yet heeded the advice of BigWheel, Mikesee and Cloxxki who summed it up more or less by saying "throw a leg over one and see for yourself".

After it is all said and done - that is literally the single best piece of advice anyone can contribute to a poster who has the curiosity and is asking questions - or debating opinion.

We could say the same advice for the endless discussions on this wheel size versus the other wheel size. In the end, throw a leg over each and see what turns your crank. When you find what turns your crank, enjoy it. Life is short. It doesn't really matter which wheel size turns your crank - as long as your crank gets turned, right?

Back to 1-track-mind...

Feel free to go back and count the number or threads that 1-track-mind posted with his curiosity and quest to consider the world of 29"er. He started no less than 24 threads and garnered 100's and 100's of posts from all of us with our opinion, advice, experience on the bikes and suggestions as he tried to narrow down what to buy - if buy at all.

Some of his threads were entitled: Resale value of 29"ers, Fisher Montare, Fisher Cobia, Fisher Paragon, Fisher X-Caliber, Dos Niner, Sugar 293, Entry level 29ers for the masses, SS-29er connection, Inbred/Monocog/X-Caliber, 29 vs 26, Question for 29er owners, Dos Niner Hombres, Best 29er to minimize walking, Super Cal-Sugar 293, The plot thickens..., The Chronicles of Ninera, First time 29er buyers, Big but quick?, Full squish pricing, Buying 29ers sight unseen ?, 1x9x29, Southern Comfort, 29ers and back pain, Steel 101, ss 29ers in NC, 20" Soma Juice build, etc... .

In the end, what happened after all of that research, opinion, thought, sharing of ideas and experience? If I followed the story correctly, he bought the first 29"er he threw his leg over following his first demo ride. 100's and 100's of posts about all matters 29"er of this model versus that model and what to do and on and on - and it could all have easily been summed up by simply saying:

"throw a leg over one and see for yourself"

He did and he bought the first chick he danced with on the floor.

That doesn't address all of the concerns you raise, but as the dance floor gets more crowded - it is a given that tempers will be shorter and the warm and fuzzy discourse will include more perceived negativity if different conclusions are drawn. But in the end, it's the riding that is the most important. Throwing your leg over whatever piece of metal attached to rubber doesn't really matter if it gets you out in nature and enjoying the sport.

My warm and fuzzy begins next week as spring break hits and I get 9 days away from teaching! My bikes are all tuned up to go and I've thrown my legs over them enough to know I will be happy on my rides. :cool: Only hard part is choosing between the Black Hills or a trip to ride the Berryman. I figure Maah Daah Hey will be out due to early spring weather, but we shall see.

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I understand the "draining" part of the argument, hell I've probably pushed my limit of questions myself.
I have a problem with the "SS-29er-my-way-or-the-highway" attitude from those who don't see eye to eye with your opinion.
There was one post in one of the 26 v. 29 arguments witha 29er saying something about "you need more sex and blah blah ..." I don't remember, I stopped reading it there. RC gets killed for his opinions and gets called some pretty serious names. C'mon guys, that magazine ain't that farr off in their opinions. I just wrote a letter to him arguing his statements, but I wasn't mean spirited about it. I've seen things in Dirt Rag that makes me scratch my head.
Right now, my opinion is a 29er hardtail is the way to go, but the 29er is lacking at this point in the FS market. Now I know people are going to start rambling off names of available 29er fs bikes but in the end, it PAILS in comparison. I bet I'd get flamed for that if I wrote that on a seperate post.
I wrote awhile back that there is definatly a lack of quality production geared only hardtails, I got back a bunch of attitude that KM or On-one (which I hope to purchase soon),Niner and all the other EBB/slider frames are good enough. Sorry folks, it ain't good enough. But again, attitudes rear they're ugly heads on that too.
I don't know, I'm just venting I guess.
 

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I think a lot of it is because people will post topics that kind of bash on 29'er a bit and people feel passionatly about their bikes etc. Most people on the 29'er forum do indeed own said 29" bikes so it no surprise when someone questions 29'er we get a bit fanatical hahahaahaha. I love the 29'er "movement" if you want to call it that. In the case of the guy w/ the Dean bike, More people were concerned that the guy got ripped off and that the frame was not a sound build. Sure you have people who post nasty comments, but go to the Downhill/FR forum, things can be much more civil here.
So I agree more love/more ride pics etc. Here ya go. my man
I'm the DEAN Duke 29er guy and I'm agreeing w/ the lack of love. I bought into the 29er idea last summer cause of you guys. I value the opinions and knowledge on this forum. If it wasn't for you guys I would have never discovered the 29er....and now I have 2 including the Duke that is the best ride I've ever had. But no doubt, I got hammered on my thread. My bike got trashed regardless of anyone even riding one before. The Sugar 29er have so many warranty issues on but no one trashes them....actually they are recommended most of the time. But I'm still around. I probably won't post any pics....but I'll be here.
 

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I'd like to see more pics of that bike with you on it. Post them to the thread titled, "I rode my bike the other day."

The best revenge is not giving a crap about revenge. That or you could tell him you just had sex with his wife.

Thanks,

-M
 
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