When will the Fox 36 technology make its way to a 5" fork design
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I think you will see more forks with similar tubing diameters(35-36mm) pop of in the future from all manufactures.
It was the same as they switched from 28mm tubing to 30mm,than from 30 to 32mm and it seems to be logical that they will follow the leader.
Why should there be not a 36mm FLOAT or Vanilla?Also possible that you can buy a 36mm Sherman or Pike in future...?
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It was the same as they switched from 28mm tubing to 30mm,than from 30 to 32mm and it seems to be logical that they will follow the leader.
Why should there be not a 36mm FLOAT or Vanilla?Also possible that you can buy a 36mm Sherman or Pike in future...?
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The other aspect to consider is head tube strength. The 36 mm stanchions will transmit more force to the headtube which will require manufacturers to reconsider adding more metal to the frame.
The jewel of the 36 is not only the big stanchions but what's going on inside. The damper in that fork simply blows away everything else on the market. I'd like to see Fox put that damper in the 32mm stanchion forks but then they'll be even pricier.
The jewel of the 36 is not only the big stanchions but what's going on inside. The damper in that fork simply blows away everything else on the market. I'd like to see Fox put that damper in the 32mm stanchion forks but then they'll be even pricier.
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I'm not completely sure how long the bigger and bigger tubing will go. Marzocchi has kinda stuck with the 30mm for their XC forks. I think people expected them to make the just to a lightweight 32mm fork when fox had theirs out, but they haven't yet. I don't really consider the AMSL a XC or XC racing fork by any means. But, for all I know they may go to 32mm tubes for an 06 Marathon but I don't know...RaD said:
Sure on the FR/DH end you will see 35-36mm fork and maybe so more 40mm ones, but I'm not sure what benefit bring an entire line of XC forks up to 36mm tubing will do. I'm happy with my Marathon for XC riding. Sure it is a little flexier than my 888 but I'm not asking the same things from it.
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absolutely no problem with the Turner! are you crazy, man?rpet said:
i love the bike.and yes, there are other forks. just wondering how the technology will drip down the product chain and how that might influence purchasing decisions.
people talk about how certain 5" forks are stiffer or better damped than the Vanilla, but most of those weigh more. I like the plush / weight factor of the Vanilla.
seeing the new 36 makes me wonder when the vanilla will grow up a bit.
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Maybe get a bolt-on axle for your front hub? That will stiffen up a Vanilla/Float/Talas a bit, and it will certainly be cheaper if you are already digging the performance of your fork.
I suggest buying a Pike Team; I like mine, and I was a Rockshox hater until the '05 models arrived. Or maybe the AM1 with a bolt-on front hub.
There's a certain cut-off where you need to decide on the stiff/strong/long-travel direction or the light direction in componentry. Sometimes the do-it-all approach does nothing particularly well. I think going from a ~4lb fork to a ~5lb fork is more than worth it for the performance gains.
Also - how much do you weigh and do you actually feel any stiffness problem with your current fork? I'm a lighter rider (165 w/gear) and tend not to feel the flex that the bigger riders on this board have problems with.
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I suggest buying a Pike Team; I like mine, and I was a Rockshox hater until the '05 models arrived. Or maybe the AM1 with a bolt-on front hub.
There's a certain cut-off where you need to decide on the stiff/strong/long-travel direction or the light direction in componentry. Sometimes the do-it-all approach does nothing particularly well. I think going from a ~4lb fork to a ~5lb fork is more than worth it for the performance gains.
Also - how much do you weigh and do you actually feel any stiffness problem with your current fork? I'm a lighter rider (165 w/gear) and tend not to feel the flex that the bigger riders on this board have problems with.
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How tall is the 36? Travel alone doesn't paint the whole picture, take the 66 for example, it is taller than the 888. Z1 is an inch taller than the Vanilla, both 5" forks. This was a main reason I got the Vanilla at first before deciding that it wasn't enough fork to do the job and got the Z1. If you take a coil 36 (which will be out next year, as rumors have it) and set it to 5", will it be taller or shorter than the Z1?
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an interesting perspecitve, rpet. there are so many niches to think about.
i'm 235 w/ gear. oh joy. i can't tell you that i necessarily feel the flex, but i could imagine it being stiffer. especially pounding through rutted out berms.
i am reading that RS is finally getting their act together after many years of lameness. Marz and Fox seem to have been leading the way.
i've had a few set-up issues with the Vanilla coil weight. I was on the heavy spring but it wasn't plush enough. now i'm on the next down (green?) and I like it more. others have said that the fork suffers from brake dive and bad low-speed compression...whatever it is, it sounds like they have it licked with this years models, espcially the 36's traits (but also with the new Vanilla internals).
as for the weight gain on the bike, i'm torn between lightness/performance and more weight/performance. My Spot is ~30.5 lbs now and for where I do the majority of my riding, I wouldn't want to go another pound heavier. Of course, i could get an RP3 and ditch the Push'd Vanilla RC and drop a pound, then gain it back in the fork.
I suppose something like a DUC32 fits the spec, except for it's astronomical price, some durability issues, and need for a 20mm thru. but i like the convenience of the standard axle. easy-on, easy-off. i put my baby inside my truck when driving around, so it's on and off alot.
so that's why i'm imagining what the next generation of forks will provide.
maybe something like an AM1 is the ticket, after i swap for the RP3.
oh, the horror.
i'm 235 w/ gear. oh joy. i can't tell you that i necessarily feel the flex, but i could imagine it being stiffer. especially pounding through rutted out berms.
i am reading that RS is finally getting their act together after many years of lameness. Marz and Fox seem to have been leading the way.
i've had a few set-up issues with the Vanilla coil weight. I was on the heavy spring but it wasn't plush enough. now i'm on the next down (green?) and I like it more. others have said that the fork suffers from brake dive and bad low-speed compression...whatever it is, it sounds like they have it licked with this years models, espcially the 36's traits (but also with the new Vanilla internals).
as for the weight gain on the bike, i'm torn between lightness/performance and more weight/performance. My Spot is ~30.5 lbs now and for where I do the majority of my riding, I wouldn't want to go another pound heavier. Of course, i could get an RP3 and ditch the Push'd Vanilla RC and drop a pound, then gain it back in the fork.
I suppose something like a DUC32 fits the spec, except for it's astronomical price, some durability issues, and need for a 20mm thru. but i like the convenience of the standard axle. easy-on, easy-off. i put my baby inside my truck when driving around, so it's on and off alot.
so that's why i'm imagining what the next generation of forks will provide.
maybe something like an AM1 is the ticket, after i swap for the RP3.
oh, the horror.
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The 36 falls right in with the Z1/All Mt chassis from Marzocchi. The A-to-C is almost exactly the same as a Z1 150mm (appox 535-540mm). So it's not as tall as the 66, but not as short as the other Foxes when set to the same travel.MK_ said:
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Tappoix -
Thanks for providing more info. You can ignore my stiffness opinons because of our difference in weight.
I can vouch for the ease-of-use of the RS Maxle system. You can remove the front wheel as easily and quickly as on a standard QR. That is not marketing BS, but my everyday experience.
I like the RP3 on my Blur, so if you can find the coin, I'd say you should go that route, then reallocate that weight into a Z1, AM1 or Pike.
On the other hand: Have you confirmed that Turner will explicity void your warrantee if you put a 36 on the 5-Spot? It would be worth a phone call to find out. The 1 to 1 1/2 degree HA change probably won't be too bad in real world situations.
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Thanks for providing more info. You can ignore my stiffness opinons because of our difference in weight.
I can vouch for the ease-of-use of the RS Maxle system. You can remove the front wheel as easily and quickly as on a standard QR. That is not marketing BS, but my everyday experience.
I like the RP3 on my Blur, so if you can find the coin, I'd say you should go that route, then reallocate that weight into a Z1, AM1 or Pike.
On the other hand: Have you confirmed that Turner will explicity void your warrantee if you put a 36 on the 5-Spot? It would be worth a phone call to find out. The 1 to 1 1/2 degree HA change probably won't be too bad in real world situations.
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Yup. There's no comparison. The 36 eats up everything in it's path. It's like a guided missle.smudge said:
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Dave has said that. He doesn't even like the Z1 on there. On the side note it is funny that the 5 Spot video on his website has a bike with a Z1 up front.
Sqeeek, I realize that coil won't be travel adjustible like the TALAS, but Vanillas are travel adjustible via internal spacers and I would imagine the coil 36 would be the same.
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Sqeeek, I realize that coil won't be travel adjustible like the TALAS, but Vanillas are travel adjustible via internal spacers and I would imagine the coil 36 would be the same.
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yo tapper,
let me know if you wanna swap pedals and go for a ride - you check out the RP3 / AM1 combo... I am soooo diggin it!
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let me know if you wanna swap pedals and go for a ride - you check out the RP3 / AM1 combo... I am soooo diggin it!
josh
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