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When did Cannondale turn in to such a pathetic company?

3294 Views 49 Replies 25 Participants Last post by  themontashu
Let me start by saying that I have always supported Cannondale since my first one about 12 years ago. I have always thought that they were ahead of most bike companies by light years in technology and customer relations, until now. I ordered a 2006 scalpel 900 in october and recieved it on 11-2. Since the thing was new it hasn't held air in the headshok. After 5 or 6 calls to the tech room from my lbs they finally agreed to issue an RA #. Cannondale recieved the fork on 11-10 and for the past 11 days have done nothing and told us nothing except that the fork had a scratch on the inside of the steerer that was causing it to leak air and that since it is a 2006 model that they didn't have parts for it yet and didn't know when they would get them. Doesn't Cannondale build the headshok? How can they not have parts for something that they build? So in the mean time, I have had a 2006 model bike that is COMPLETELY useless and cannondale seems to not care at all. My lbs has called almost every day and got one voicemail after another with no return phone calls. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what route I should take with them? I am considering filing a complaint with the BBB in Pennsylvania but I thought I would give them a couple more days before I do that. Anyone considering any 2006 models might want to think about how the company has changed before dropping their money on a cannondale.
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I agree with you on this as I have been a victim of crap customer service & poor quality on the bike.
Basically I'd had my Prophet 800 for four weeks and the paint started to flake off the mainframe. To cut a long story short I was without my bike for six weeks after trying to email cannondale several times with no response witch I thought was very poor, especially when on thier website it suggests that they strive to provide excellent CService.
What a load of B*LL*CKS, Once they've got your money they are simply not interested.
Don't get me wrong I love the way that the bike performs but I probably wouldn't buy another Cannondale simply because of the poor service that I recieved. Harsh but I think unacceptable these days to be taken for a sucker after shelling out £2000 on a bike.
Take a deep breathe...

You are just unlucky, I understand it sucks but you'll get the thing in perfect condition. Yes Cannondale produce the Headshok but some parts are produced by outside sources and it's the busiest time of the season with the rollout of the 2006 bikes and all so there are probably not a room full of spare parts at this hour. A lot of people are waiting for their bikes to come in and I'm sure they are doing the best they can to follow the huge demand of the season and to fix your fork.

In the meantime, perhaps your LBS can put a standby fork while you wait, even let you borrow a complete bike to have you on the trails now, and put the new Headshok as soon as they get it. Some shop do it, ask.
Dude that sucks. Cannondale does build the forks but like everything else these days does outsource most of the internals. I have a R/S Reba that was doing the same thing and was due to a damaged staction. It took them over 3 months to get me the new part and the fork had been out over 6 months. The few cannondale dealers I know have a loaner headshok that they install while the customers fork is out for service.
I bought a lefty to use in the mean time

applegreenheckler said:
Dude that sucks. Cannondale does build the forks but like everything else these days does outsource most of the internals. I have a R/S Reba that was doing the same thing and was due to a damaged staction. It took them over 3 months to get me the new part and the fork had been out over 6 months. The few cannondale dealers I know have a loaner headshok that they install while the customers fork is out for service.
but isn't it pretty sh!tty that I have to pay for another fork to use while cannondale just gives me the run around. I ordered the scalpel 900 specifically because I wanted the headshok instead of the lefty.(I just like it better for xc) If anyone wants a hell of a deal on a 2006 scalpel with a lefty AND a headshok, I will be selling it as soon as I get the fork back. I am done with cannondale simply because of the way they have treated me over this. I think that the scalpel is the best xc full suspension bike out there but cannondale ruined it for me from now on.
Chances are, once you get it back, you'll never need to have to deal with them anyway... I'd keep it. But as I said, I think you're just unlucky.
If it were me personally...I'd try my hardest to get a Lefty & a compatible wheel out of the deal. Tell you LBS that you don't want to wait for a new Headshock & that you'd prefer to ride now on a Lefty, Have them call the rep & ask at least. :rolleyes:
Elzippo said:
If it were me personally...I'd try my hardest to get a Lefty & a compatible wheel out of the deal. Tell you LBS that you don't want to wait for a new Headshock & that you'd prefer to ride now on a Lefty, Have them call the rep & ask at least. :rolleyes:
Opps! Just saw that you prefer the Headshock over the Lefty.
Disregard.
Cannondale needs to address their Customer Service situation quickly. I take pride in being a loyal Cannondale customer/supporter- this type of lack of care is very dissapointing.
The grass is always greener on the other side.

Before you go crazy over this and dump a great bike and fork maybe you should go read all the posts in the other mfg forums from people just like you, pissed off and getting what they think is poor service. Every manufacturer has occasional quality and part supply issues. Personally I think Cannondale has fewer problems and treats their customers better then most other companies.
"getting what they think is poor service"

Actually it's an epidemic of huge proprtions.
It's not just Cannondale, it's lack of customer service in general with everything you buy now a days.
I had the complete opposite experience...

I picked up a new F4000sl with a Fox lefty on it 3 weeks ago. It sat unridden in my basement for the first 8 days, on my first ride, within 3 miles of relatively benign singletrack, the lefty started spewing oil from the lower adjustment knob, all over the rim and worse yet, the disc brake pads. I dropped it off my LBS, that Sunday afternoon 15 minutes before closing, and Monday at 2:15 they called me and had everything repaired/replaced -brakes pads included. They made me a customer for life. I've been riding for longer than I care to admit, and I ride alot, XC, road, 'cross, racing, etc., and IMHO all shops/manufactures will drop the ball from time to time. I think you should talk to the owner or manager, calmly and repectfully and explain your situation and concerns, don't make vague or idol threats, be honest and cool headed, I'd be very suprised if they didn't do something for you in the interm.

Good shop will ALWAYS treat a good customer right.
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i love cannondale once i had a cannondale super v that wasnt shifting properlyl, so i took it to my shop, when they called me to tell me it was fixed i asked what was done, and they told me that my coda cranks were completely worn and was replaced with brand new xt cranks. i was like on my gosh i dont have the money for this! the shop was like there is no charge just come and pick up the bike, it was lovely they put the newest shimano xt cranks that had just come out, my friends were so jealous. cool cannonale very cool...i on my 4th cannondale and would never go with anyone else, i have only had positive experiences with cannondale....
Like I said

david8613 said:
i love cannondale once i had a cannondale super v that wasnt shifting properlyl, so i took it to my shop, when they called me to tell me it was fixed i asked what was done, and they told me that my coda cranks were completely worn and was replaced with brand new xt cranks. i was like on my gosh i dont have the money for this! the shop was like there is no charge just come and pick up the bike, it was lovely they put the newest shimano xt cranks that had just come out, my friends were so jealous. cool cannonale very cool...i on my 4th cannondale and would never go with anyone else, i have only had positive experiences with cannondale....
I have always had good luck with cannondales, until now. I just wonder if it has anything to do with the change of ownership? If I can be persuaded to not deal with cannondale as die hard as I have always been, then they have some pretty crappy service. I wouldn't be pissed at all if they would give us some sort of an idea on when the fork might be back or just what is going on with it. Instead I get [email protected] attitude and we'll get it back to you when we can attitude. They have lost me.
Right on

Elzippo said:
"getting what they think is poor service"

Actually it's an epidemic of huge proprtions.
It's not just Cannondale, it's lack of customer service in general with everything you buy now a days.
Boy, you read my mind on this one. It seems that no matter where you go this is true. Buyer beware is the norm. Thats ok though, because if your not embarrassed easily, you can take you dissatisfaction right to the source. Bang on doors, make a scene, ask to see managers, and fill out complaint forms. If we all simply shrug our shoulders and bite our lips, it will continue for eternity.
Cannondale:

PArts supply is a global issue for the biking community. Demand forecasting two years ago did not take into account the growth in sales of new bikes. Shimano had problems meeting demand which has let SRAM in the door with the OEM's (forget that SRAM is better malarky - it's driven by supply and demand)

Cannondale gets a lot of it's internal parts from the East where the infrastructure exists to manufacture these parts cost effectively. At the moment there is a global shortage on bike bits and bobs.
Unfortunately you've been affected because something left the factory damaged or was damaged in transit or at your LBS.

The point is these thing happen. It's not your fault, It's not really Cannondale's fault either.
They'r a relatively small company who buys in components from suppliers too. They simply cannot manufacture everything themselves, the capital investment in machinary would cripple them.


RE Service in General:

No business wants to keep stock on the selves, This is a common business practice Stock on the shelf means revenue lost. For a company rebuilding its image with shareholders and stockholders it's inportant to be profitable. This means operate lean due get as many orders for your kit before you actually manufacture it.
everyone operates this way including GIANT.



I'm not making excuses for them, merely highlighting that this is the way businesses operate in a capitalist world.


So what next?

Well you want to use the bike for XC racing. Why not get a loaner fork i.e. a Conventional telescopic fork fitted in the meantime or alternatively buy a MAgura CCS Headshok Cartridge. It will transform your Headshok Fatty into the best 80mm travel XC fork around and forget the original internals. Cannondale can give you a credit for that or sell you the cartridge at cost.

Talk to them direct. Usually the LBS has it's own agenda...
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I would like to love Cannondale, I really would, and back in the day, before being owned by someone other than the Montgomery family, it was easy. Now they are a lean mean corporate speaking machine. I know because I was pulled as a Cannondale dealer. Never mind that I have worked on their product longer than most, or that I am a RABID fan, having owned at least 8 or 9 bikes of theirs in the last 15 years, and having sold and serviced thousands more. All my friends ride Cannondale too, thanks to my steering. How does Cannondale thank me? By cramming a truck load of verbal excrement down my throat about "being happy with present distribution"(excluding me) and "not wanting to be like Trek, with multiple dealers in an area". Be aware they are in it for unit movement, that's it. They are currently trying to make an example out of a local rep who left because he was unhappy with the "new direction", poor fellow has spent un told tens of thousands defending himself. Cannondale makes great bikes, and I love them dearly, but they are no longer in touch with the "passion" they espouse, and it will be their undoing. What does a company do, when coming out of chapter 11? They move all non bike frame related production, overseas, fire alot of long time employees, then start spending money BUYING WHOLE COMPANIES, that are second rate, comparitively, makes sense huh? Nothing against the purchase-ees, but if you've got the $$$ to buy a clothing company, why not invest in your own? Cannondale clothing was better than Sugoi, any day, and oh, by the way Sugoi, you are currently made in Canada, where you think your production is headed? Again, I love 'em but this corporate crap is taking a top shelf company, and destroying it, one customer at a time. Sorry, just had to unload, yeah, the company management sucks, not their bikes.
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Hmmm, that kinda explains why every piece of Cannondale clothing that I've purchased over the past two years has fallen apart even when hand washed & hang dried.
Elzippo said:
Hmmm, that kinda explains why every piece of Cannondale clothing that I've purchased over the past two years has fallen apart even when hand washed & hang dried.
Yep, they don't have that lovely flags in the side seams anymore.
I love my 4 years old Vertex jersey in "Tractor Green". :)
Cannondale Never made their own clothing.
They did design and specify it but the shorts and tops were made by Nalini in Italy.

Back in the day when they were a thriving family company they did not know what to do with their success. But at least they focussed on core values.

Post Chapter 11 Cannondale is a corporate animal, much like the rest of the brands out there. They have to be if they want to survive.

The acquisition of Sugoi is a step into a more serious clothing production direction.
Having clothingmade up by someone else does not give you a lot of flexibility over production and makes it hard to introduce novel concepts without giving away intellectual property. Having your own factory to manufacture your goods is definately better if you intend to market some novel stuff, not just someones elses with your name on it.

In the old days Cannondale was run by the heart, shareholders got stung and now it's the bean counter's turn.
Unfortunal;te but at least Dubya is not riding one....
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