[Stonebreaker]

OK brothers, my M2 came with the Sun SOS wheels with 2.3 Kenda Nevegals. But now I'd like a wheel that will be lighter, stiffer and tubeless. I have a $500 budget +/-. Been looking around at wheelsets and my LBS came up with this for me.

Mavic 819 rims, DT spokes and Shimano SLX and XT hubs that will allow me to change my QR to bolt-on 15mm front/10mm rear. Wrapped in 2.3 Weirwolfs. All this built for $500 OTD.

Whatcha think?

 

[Dagair002]

That sounds like a pretty good wheel build to me. You could also look at the Stans No Tubes ZTR Flow rims. My buddy has a set of the No Tubes Flows on his bike, and I must admit, they are pretty sexy rims. If you're looking at a side by side comparison, the 819 hoops sell for $84.98 and the Stans No Tubes ZTR Flow hoops sell at $79.98. This is just a suggestion if you want food for thought, otherwise, the wheelset your LBS is suggesting sounds like it would be a good set for the mission.

 

[miniwisejosh]

That's a good wheelset. Shimano hubs work well enough, Mavic rims have a great reputation, and handbuild wheels are always a great option (assuming the builder is good of course).

For what it's worth, I think Hope hubs and Stans rims for about $400 + tires is a much better deal. That's what I have, and I love them. I plan to sell them soon for new wheels, but only because I want a rear hub with faster engagement. Otherwise, I'd run them until they die and get another set and another... The Stans rims are a lot wider than 819s, and I think they work better with wide tires like what most AM riders use. The Hope hubs are a robust design and are ridiculously easy to maintain whenever needed (not ofter).

Tire choice is really dependent on local trail conditions. WIth that disclaimer in mind, I don't like Weirwolfs much. They clog up with mud too easily. I prefer Maxxis High Rollers, Speciallized Eskar, and Specialized Clutch to handle a wider range of conditions.

Hope Hoops:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/hope-hoops-pro2-rear-mtb-wheel/
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/hope-hoops-pro2-front-mtb-wheel/

 

[Stonebreaker]

Which do you guys prefer, UST style wheels or Stans?

 

[miniwisejosh]

I doesn't really matter much. Both standards use essentially the same hook on the rim to hold a tire bead in place. That's the most important thing with tubeless to reduce the chances of tires burping air.

The main difference is the the rim bed. True UST doesn't need a rim stip at all. Tubeless ready designs (including 2Bliss from Speciallized, TLR from Bontrager, and Stans) require a special rim stip for tubeless. Technically, true UST doesn't need any sealant. I think it's pretty silly not to use sealant though. Heck, that's the main reason I use tubeless at all.

Don't worry about it. Both systems work very well when set up properly.

 

[DavidNeiles]

I am in love with the new Sun Ringle Charger Pro wheelset my buddy has! Light as hell and super pimp. Came with all the tubeless stuff, strips, sealant, valves, and the front wheel comes with a convertable 9,15,20mm axle! I like :thumbsup:

 

[ein86]

I am in love with the new Sun Ringle Charger Pro wheelset my buddy has! Light as hell and super pimp. Came with all the tubeless stuff, strips, sealant, valves, and the front wheel comes with a convertable 9,15,20mm axle! I like :thumbsup:

I've got the Charger Pros and they are great wheels. I'm running 15mm up front (comes with all the adapters as David said) and 12mm bolt on in the rear (had to order the axle and caps seperate), they've handled everything so far.
That said, I do love these wheels but if I was in the market for new wheels again, I'd build my own this time. And I'd avoid ordering them from Ride-This at all costs:madman:

 

[Stonebreaker]

I am in love with the new Sun Ringle Charger Pro wheelset my buddy has! Light as hell and super pimp. Came with all the tubeless stuff, strips, sealant, valves, and the front wheel comes with a convertable 9,15,20mm axle! I like :thumbsup:

I do like what I see. Especially the front hub versitility.
Is your buddy running it 9mm or 15mm?

 

[ein86]

I do like what I see. Especially the front hub versitility.
Is your buddy running it 9mm or 15mm?

The skewer looks like the 9mm that comes with the wheels. Heres the white ones on my bike:

 

[Supple1]

I've got the Charger Pros and they are great wheels. I'm running 15mm up front (comes with all the adapters as David said) and 12mm bolt on in the rear (had to order the axle and caps seperate), they've handled everything so far.
That said, I do love these wheels but if I was in the market for new wheels again, I'd build my own this time. And I'd avoid ordering them from Ride-This at all costs:madman:

Out of curiosity, what would you build?

 

[ein86]

Out of curiosity, what would you build?

Dunno anymore. I had a couple of different ideas when I was building this bike last year but tossed those lists when I decided on the Charger Pros. Why did I buy them instead of building my own? These had good reviews, the hubs are compatible with everything, pretty light, come with everything (except the 12mm rear...), look damn good and the price of these was either on par with or a little cheaper than any build I priced out.
Why would I prefer to build my own? I just like building my own wheels mainly (this is the first set of prebuilt wheels I've bought in maybe 20 years..), but I couldnt talk myself out of buying these for the reasons listed above.

 

[saxen]

easton havens and be done with it- no rim strips or tape or all that junk- 1650 grams- can support 2.5+ tires- awesome wheel set-- can be found on clearance for around 5-600

 

[Stonebreaker]

easton havens and be done with it- no rim strips or tape or all that junk- 1650 grams- can support 2.5+ tires- awesome wheel set-- can be found on clearance for around 5-600

Found some havoc's for $350 new. Little heavier 1900g, but stronger and lighter than what I have now. And tubeless.

On a side note I believe I have 9mm QR front instead of 15mm. Did the '07 Mission 2 not come 15mm? David?

 

[DavidNeiles]

07 and 08 M2 had a 9mm qr, 09 is when the M2 got a 15mm axle

 

[Stonebreaker]

Thanks David. At least my choices are easier and/or cheaper for 9mm. Do you think a Thru bolt(hadley) or nutted axle is a worthwhile venture to reduce flex?

 

[Stonebreaker]

OK, looking at the 2010 Easton AM Havoc. $349 @ PPoint. Not a UST rim like the new 2011's but can I just use some stans to help there with a UST tire?

 

[miniwisejosh]

It should work, but the setup might not be quite as resistant to burping air as a rim designed specifically to be tubeless ready or UST.

I still think Hope Hoops with good rims from CRC or Wiggle UK are the best choice at that price range. Tubeless ready Stans Flows and DT 5.1s or nearly bombproof Mavic 721s.

I don't have a personal opinion on whether bolt through axles reduce flex or not. Many people think they do though. I prefer bolts to QR levers simply because I feel more confident about tighting a hex key to a reasonable torque. I'm running the Halo bolt-on axle on my bike now, and I like it a lot.

 

[Stonebreaker]

I'm running the Halo bolt-on axle on my bike now, and I like it a lot.

Gotta pic?

 

[miniwisejosh]

Yeah. It's that little red bolt in my latest pictures on the Mission pics thread. I'll post a closeup of mine tomorrow.

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=12529

 

[miniwisejosh]

Here ya go. Not much to it really.