[mingodog]

I just bought this off a guy, but it's been repainted, is this a P-20 like it says it it ? Around what year is this frame ?

 

[WTB-rider]

I'm thinking there's more than a repaint going on there.:skep:

 

[mingodog]

I'm thinking there's more than a repaint going on there.:skep:

Like what in particular ? Please help me out ..

 

[holden]

maybe compare your frame with these:

http://www.oldmountainbikes.com/bikes/

 

[Veloculture]

[that doesn't look like a Ritchey to me. at least not any that i've seen. what does that head tube say?

 

[mingodog]

[that doesn't look like a Ritchey to me. at least not any that i've seen. what does that head tube say?

Well it has the TR decal on the headtube, but what made me believe it was a Ritchey were the Ritchey logos pantographed on the rear drops

 

[Veloculture]

Well it has the TR decal on the headtube, but what made me believe it was a Ritchey were the Ritchey logos pantographed on the rear drops

Ritchey drop outs were sold on scores of other bikes just like Ritchey Logic tubing was. that means nothing unfortunately.

 

[Fillet-brazed]

I just bought this off a guy, but it's been repainted, is this a P-20 like it says it it ? Around what year is this frame ?

Most definitely not a Ritchey. There are a couple really low end bikes with Ritchey paint jobs that Ive seen now that are not Ritcheys. One of them even made it onto oldmountainbikes.com somehow. Laffeaux is too nice to turn it away I guess.

Yours actually looks like it may be something decent... Hard to tell though with that paint like that. And Sky is right, those dropouts were sold by Ritchey to other frame builders.

 

[mingodog]

Most definitely not a Ritchey. There are a couple really low end bikes with Ritchey paint jobs that Ive seen now that are not Ritcheys. One of them even made it onto oldmountainbikes.com somehow. Laffeaux is too nice to turn it away I guess.

Yours actually looks like it may be something decent... Hard to tell though with that paint like that. And Sky is right, those dropouts were sold by Ritchey to other frame builders.

Well like you say it does seem like a decent frame nonetheless. One last thing is the serial numbers under the bottom bracket "G" or "C" BW005, but from what I've read the serial numbers are not all alike.. Oh well I guess I got taken.. :madman:

 

[Veloculture]

Well like you say it does seem like a decent frame nonetheless. One last thing is the serial numbers under the bottom bracket "G" or "C" BW005, but from what I've read the serial numbers are not all alike.. Oh well I guess I got taken.. :madman:

sorry to spoil the day. what did you pay and where did you get it from?

 

[mingodog]

sorry to spoil the day. what did you pay and where did you get it from?

150.00 I got it off craigslist.. What is the main thing that gives it away that it's not a Ritchey ? Well It's a nice lightweight frame anyway.. I guess I'm going to hit it with the bead-blaster and see what's under the paint.

 

[Rumpfy]

$150 isn't too bad of a hit. But if he was trying to pass it off as a P-20...thats kind of messed up (if he even knew himself).

The P-20 decals aren't correct.

That extra (pinched?) tubing at the down tube would be one thing.

Here's what Ritchey head tubes look like:

Also, the rear seat binder bolt...doesn't look quite right.

 

[kb11]

Yep, the dead give-a-way is the seat tube binder bolt area. Ritcheys dont have a rear brake braze on like yours but a small hole by seat tube that the cable runs through , as shown below

 

[ibike4fun]

That bottom bracket looks like my Phil Wood? The situation may not be all that bad if I am right?

 

[laffeaux]

FB is right, I am too nice.

The gusset at the headtube / downtube junction is very non-Ritchey. But it does look like a nicer frame, just not a Ritchey.

 

[mingodog]

That bottom bracket looks like my Phil Wood? The situation may not be all that bad if I am right?

The bottom bracket itself or do you mean the shell ?