what is sierra club's stance on wilderness?

Sierra Club Bad

Yup they are all for wilderness designation....and all sorts of other really stupid stuff like banning fishing....I have a neighbor who is some kind of sierra club official. This guys views are off the chart and he has railed on me a couple of times about the evils of Mtn. Bikers in the wilderness….then he starts in about the evils of fishing. This guy has horses that he regularly rides into wilderness lands with other sierra club members (you may have seen what horses can do to the environment?)...but thats OK because "horses are native to North America and have been using these trails since before WE were here"...WTF????

From what I understand their stated goals boil down to excluding the general public from recreating in the wilderness....because we are too stupid and can not be trusted with this natural resource (wilderness lands).

But really....I don't have a strong opinion either way about the Sierra Club.....hehehehe

weren't horses introduced by the spanish 500 years ago?

The 2-faced SC is asking MTB'ers to join their cause. What they are not saying is the Wilderness Bill they support will close the forrest to bikes. What they assume is a large number of voters will follow thier ( SC ) wishes and do no research of their own.

Seirrra Club does not recognize bikes as legitimate users. The bike club within SC is run by a total hoser, whom is hated venomhently from inside, who has nothing but a political future in mind. An a$$ who couldn't get elected to sanitation supervisor if he tried. Yet he created an organization within an organization to furtur himself and do nothing to sway the SC or even help promote the truth about the plan they support. Now thats 2-faced.

Jm. said:

weren't horses introduced by the spanish 500 years ago?

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A quick google search revealed this:

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jun2000/960351408.Zo.r.html

So really you are right. The horses people enjoy today are not native. I would also like to make a point that heritage and tradition aren't necessarily good things (slavery?).

bigboulder said:

but thats OK because "horses are native to North America and have been using these trails since before WE were here"...WTF????

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No thats not true. They did not coexist with "these trails"

in my opinion, which i'm sure no one really cares about, the sierra club is evil and bad for the environment. they, and other extremists, have driven reasonable people out of 'environmentalism'. they are so anti-bike and anti-motor and anti-multi-use and anti-being-reasonable that people like me, who have always considered themselves environmentalists, must oppose these crazed anti-access elitist extremists at every turn.

ironically, alot of these extremists live in big inefficient houses and drive volvos and other gas-guzzlers, and consume all manner of manufactured goods, and are generally much higher in impact on the planet than i am, even with my evil habits of mtn biking and motorcycling in addition to hiking, climbing and xc/backcountry skiing,

in my opinion, ALL new wilderness is bad until bicycles are allowed in (or skis, horses, tents, campstoves and synthetic boot soles are banned).

mw

If all of the mountainbikers joined Sierra Club, we could change their policy on biking. Then we would have a truly powerful lobby.

Obviousley

you missed the sarcasm and the..... WTF?

I have no problem with horses and riders who are respectful of other trail users.....but you are correct they do not coexist well with Mtn Bikers and Hikers because they [email protected] all over the trail and generally tear things up.

It was my neighbor that stated "horses are native to North America so they should be allowed anywhere" not I.

bigboulder said:

It was my neighbor that stated "horses are native to North America so they should be allowed anywhere" not I.

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Yeah, what a tool. You can tell him that horses are native to MONGOLIA....heh

The Sierra Club is.........

The Sierra Club is a small group of people dedicated to keeping large groups of people from enjoying the wilderness.

I have no use for them.

Not!

We would just be helping them legitimize their agenda. The Sierra Club needs to be "called out" by all Mountain Bikers. The elected officials who support the Sierra Club need to be called out as well.....they are not hard to find....they are the ones with the "D" after their name. Sorry, but it's true...I am not railing against Dems here....it's just a fact....The sierra club uses these elected official to further their agenda....and they are rewarded by the sierra clubs nasty PR campaigns against the other side...The "R's"

The Sierra Club needs to be taken down along with any and all elected officials that blindly follow along with their policies in exchange for political favors.

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bigboulder said:

you missed the sarcasm and the..... WTF?

I have no problem with horses and riders who are respectful of other trail users.....but you are correct they do not coexist well with Mtn Bikers and Hikers because they [email protected] all over the trail and generally tear things up.

It was my neighbor that stated "horses are native to North America so they should be allowed anywhere" not I.

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your weak sarcasm was not missed. I never said YOU felt anyway or the other about horses. I was simply pointing out your neihbors error. Native horses never coexisted on "these trails" that we use today. Was it too simple of a stament?

And speaking of WTF, I didn't that they do not coexist well with Mtn Bikers and Hikers. But I will so now: Horses and their bloated self righteous owners are the worst! Maybe I should take a crap on the hood of their pick up, leave it there and see how they like it.

Nice...

Well Put!

ever notice?

has anyone ever noticed that people with the sierra club stickers on their car always have an early 80's honda or toyota spewing smoke out their rusted out muffler going down the freeway around 45 mph?

bigboulder said:

but thats OK because "horses are native to North America and have been using these trails since before WE were here"

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That's right! And all the Anglo-Saxons, Asians, Africans, Latinos can forget about using it too because they are not native to this country.

StormShadow said:

That's right! And all the Anglo-Saxons, Asians, Africans, Latinos can forget about using it too because they are not native to this country.

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word...

Stay away from those losers

Like others have said, they want to keep everyone but themselves out of the wilderness. They went on my enemies list when they campaigned against an initiative in Washington to ban commercial drift netting for salmon a few years ago. Since such bans are proven to help restore the wild fish runs it takes away from their "save the trees" message. And before anyone asks; no, I'm not against fishing. Fishing is one of my big hobbies.

My Mom...

aunt, uncle, cousins are all horse owners and riders. None of them are Bloated? or self righteous......Thet are very respectful of other trail users...your weak generalizations make YOU seem pretty self righteous though.

Last year...as a joke....I gave my aunt a small shovel and gunny sack for a christmass present....called it an equine pooper scooper......she took me seriousley and carries it with her....cleans up after her horse....she says it freaks all the other riders out.

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