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Got mine set up with a Fox Vanilla 125 from an old bike but I'm thinking I'd like something bigger to better match 7" at the back. With the Vanilla though I've noticed that the steering is a lot more raked out than my XC bikes of the past, how does a Joker ride with 6" or 7" at the front?

I like the look of the Marzocchi 66, or the new Boxxer Ride, but am worried about the effect on the handling of the even more relaxed head angle due to the extra 2" at the front???
 

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i got a 03 Jr.t on my joker and it handles juust fine! the single crown forks turn a lot more precise than a double crown fork but they still handle very nice! i actually just tested a single crown fork a little while ago and i was so used to my Jr.t it was a little to sketchy for me!
 

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Manitou Sherman Breakout 1.5 (6"). I got it as the kit. I like it, although I'm thinking about the 7" version soon. I wouldn't mind the 66, but I'd have to get a new headset and stem. The head angle is slack enough with the 6" fork, making my Joker difficult to climb up a switchback. Otherwise, the bike is butter. I had a Vanilla RLC125 on my Azonic Saber. Didn't care for it much, seemed to tempermental and only be plush when it wanted to, like every other third day.

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Got mine set up with a Fox Vanilla 125 from an old bike but I'm thinking I'd like something bigger to better match 7" at the back. With the Vanilla though I've noticed that the steering is a lot more raked out than my XC bikes of the past, how does a Joker ride with 6" or 7" at the front?

I like the look of the Marzocchi 66, or the new Boxxer Ride, but am worried about the effect on the handling of the even more relaxed head angle due to the extra 2" at the front???
 

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Sounds like 6" would be a good option, perhaps I'll look the Z150; although I think the 66 is adjustable so you could swap between 6" and 7" depending upon.... not sure how easily though.
 

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I am pretty sure the Z150 has the ECC adjustment, same as the 66. If the adjusment is the same as the Z1, then when you turn on the ECC, it locks it out in the lower setting. The Z1 goes from 5 to 3" when activated with no active suspension. My friend has the Z150 on his Turner RFX and loves it. I don't care for the air assist, but I prefer (always have) coil and oil bath forks.

Marzocchi Z150 FR SL QR20 Pro 150mm
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Mag FR Mono-lite Casting w/One Piece Arch & Sliders
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Sounds like 6" would be a good option, perhaps I'll look the Z150; although I think the 66 is adjustable so you could swap between 6" and 7" depending upon.... not sure how easily though.
 

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Z150 coil

I'm running the Z150 coil which has the ETA that locks the fork down low for climbing but my understanding is that it only has 30mm travel when the ETA is on. With the ETA the geometry is good for climbing. The Z150 coil feels very good, very plush and stiff with the QR20, but weighs up there with some DC forks so it's a little heavy for trail riding and makes for a pretty slack head angle. The slack angle isn't to hard to compensate for, but the weight is noticable.

The Z150SL (air) is a lot lighter but I'm not very good with dialing in stuff and the feedback I've gotten is it does take some work. Riders who have got the Z150SL dialed in say it feels like a coil. I gave up on air forks a couple years back because I could never get near full travel.

I've been doing mostly ski lifts and FR stuff with my joker/Z150 but I'm thinking about swapping out the Z150 with a Fox vanilla 125mm for some long trail rides. I have the Fox already so it's not a big deal, though, I have ridden both forks hard and the difference is huge. I'm not sure whether it's 12mm vs 20mm axle and/or the extra inch of travel.

It'd be cool to try a Z1QR20 but that's not in the cards...
 

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fridge said:
Got mine set up with a Fox Vanilla 125 from an old bike but I'm thinking I'd like something bigger to better match 7" at the back. With the Vanilla though I've noticed that the steering is a lot more raked out than my XC bikes of the past, how does a Joker ride with 6" or 7" at the front?

I like the look of the Marzocchi 66, or the new Boxxer Ride, but am worried about the effect on the handling of the even more relaxed head angle due to the extra 2" at the front???
I am running the 6" sherman breakout on my Joker. I have tested the new 7" sherman single crown with spv and it is a great fork. The fork I have right now performs well though. I can run the rough stuff and still do trails. I do not like the travel adjust from 5-6" because it does not always work on the first try going back and forth from 5-6".
 

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I agree, the travel adjust doesn't work all the time on mine either. Like my old Vanilla125RLC, I never used the lockout, so I don't use the travel adjust either. I just ride it like it is. How does the 7" sherman compare to the 6"? I was thinking about getting one when I build up my XC bike. The 6" seems fine to me, I don't mash it down when I ride, so I'm finding a hard time justifying the $$$ for the 7" w/ SPV...

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I am running the 6" sherman breakout on my Joker. I have tested the new 7" sherman single crown with spv and it is a great fork. The fork I have right now performs well though. I can run the rough stuff and still do trails. I do not like the travel adjust from 5-6" because it does not always work on the first try going back and forth from 5-6".
 

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Sounds like you guys are finding 7" travel OK. How does it affect the handling compared to 5"?
I guess that being pedantic it's the axle to crown distance that matters; which makes me wonder if a triple clamp (I like the look of the new Boxxer Ride) might mean less change to head angle than a big 7" single crown??
 

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Sounds like you guys are finding 7" travel OK. How does it affect the handling compared to 5"?
I guess that being pedantic it's the axle to crown distance that matters; which makes me wonder if a triple clamp (I like the look of the new Boxxer Ride) might mean less change to head angle than a big 7" single crown??
Riding a 7" single crown rakes out the suspension compared to a 5" shock making the 5" friendlier on the xc trails. However, the new 7" single crowns are adjustable from 5-7" and the breakout plus has spv making it easier to pedal. I prefer a single crown for precise steering and for having the option of freeride and trail in one package.
 

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any other forks 4 joker

hi, don't want to be an s and take this again on table, but is that all what we use on jokers? I used to have super t and loved it. now actually I'm looking for single crown fork for fr with adjustible travel, that also can be used for xc riding with some 4-5 feet drops. know that there are many forks on the market that would fit me, but I'm really interested in your personal opinions on specific forks. that would help me a lot (and hope that others too) with choosing the right fork. thnx
 

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hi, don't want to be an s and take this again on table, but is that all what we use on jokers? I used to have super t and loved it. now actually I'm looking for single crown fork for fr with adjustible travel, that also can be used for xc riding with some 4-5 feet drops. know that there are many forks on the market that would fit me, but I'm really interested in your personal opinions on specific forks. that would help me a lot (and hope that others too) with choosing the right fork. thnx
The Sherman breakout 6" is a great all around fork that can take a beating. It is a good compromise between freeride and trailriding. I run mine in 5" mode for trails and 6" for drops and really rough terrain. This fork is fast becoming the new standard for aggressive trail and freeriding. The new breakouts are adjustable between 5-7" offering even more versatility. If you are only dropping 4-5ft max I would suggest the Sherman Firefly. It is adjustable between 4-5" and can handle 4-5 footers and is more durable than a Fox talas rlc and most other 5" forks on the market. The Sherman line is popular for a good reason. They perform. Bottom line.
 

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thnx for that. there is another question for you ronny: what is the biggest size of a tire you were/are running, or would fit this fork? right now I have set of wheels with qr20 front hubs packed with specialized 2.7, and maxxis 2.5.
 

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weight: rprice said that z150 eta is kind of on heavy side, but the firefly 20mm weights about 4.6 lbs. the marzocchi z1 freeride sl ecc weight s about 4.6lbs also.
breakout weight is aboout 5.5lbs. how much heavier is the z150eta? is that rally noticable difference in weight?
 

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weight: rprice said that z150 eta is kind of on heavy side, but the firefly 20mm weights about 4.6 lbs. the marzocchi z1 freeride sl ecc weight s about 4.6lbs also.
breakout weight is aboout 5.5lbs. how much heavier is the z150eta? is that rally noticable difference in weight?
I am running a 2.4s on my bike right now. With the Breakout You can run a 2.6 for sure. In the rear it is tighter and a 2.5 on the Joker is as big as I would go. I have seen bigger but there was barely any clearance for mud and such. I dont worry about weight with a bike like a Joker. The Breakout and Firefly are not feather weights but are light enough to still ride on the trails.
 

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I have an 02 Joker and I am running a 2004 Super T. It is set at the minimum clearance, and still corners alright. It descends great, climbs like a pig. I had a Fox Vanilla 125 RLC on there before and it was a great trail bike. I just ordered a new bike and when it gets here the Joker will probably go back to a trail riding configuration.
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weight: rprice said that z150 eta is kind of on heavy side, but the firefly 20mm weights about 4.6 lbs. the marzocchi z1 freeride sl ecc weight s about 4.6lbs also.
breakout weight is aboout 5.5lbs. how much heavier is the z150eta? is that rally noticable difference in weight?
I haven't weighed mine off the bike but from what I've seen posted it's around 6.5# with the QR20. I've been hauling it around the trails and it's a lot of work. Unlike some of the other posts, I tend to like the feel of the bike with 150mm travel. I don't have any problem with the "slack" head angle. The bike is very "climbable" using the ETA. With the stiffness of the QR20 and 6" of travel I can pretty much sit on the front wheel and snap the bike through tight switchbacks. It's just the weight I don't like.

I think the ideal fork for the Joker would be 1.25" steerer, under 6# and 130mm to 170mm. I'm going to stay tuned for the latest offerings before I dump the Z150...
 

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Meca_nic said:
weight: rprice said that z150 eta is kind of on heavy side, but the firefly 20mm weights about 4.6 lbs. the marzocchi z1 freeride sl ecc weight s about 4.6lbs also.
breakout weight is aboout 5.5lbs. how much heavier is the z150eta? is that rally noticable difference in weight?
5" 20mm firefly is 5.4lbs, not 4.6. Put it on a scale and see.
 

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sorry, but I took this from supergo catalog and there is: sherman firefly 20mm thru-axle, 4.6 lbs. but that even better. thnx for the correction. now I will go straight to the website and check directly with the producent.
 

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Meca_nic said:
sorry, but I took this from supergo catalog and there is: sherman firefly 20mm thru-axle, 4.6 lbs. but that even better. thnx for the correction. now I will go straight to the website and check directly with the producent.
The standard QR version is 4.9lbs, although with more travel in 05 it may be a little heavier. A Z150 SL is an ounce or two lighter than the firefly 20mm.
 
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