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I am thinking of becoming a dealer for Tomac and just wondering how they are perceived in the SE. I know on the west coast the name Tomac is popular and they would sell well over there. Would people in this area spend that kind of cash on a smaller name brand? I myself am in love with the bikes and happy with the owners after talking to them. I don't want to have bikes on my floor that won't sell though because nobody has heard of them around here.
 

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I've never heard of one, seen one, rode one.
A is their an officialsite to check out???
 

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I wouldn't mind taking one out for a ride one time. But I don't see myself buying one. Not because of brand recognition or lack thereof. I'm just way too happy with my current bike/brand and don't plan on making a change.
 

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John Tomac was one of the founders of Mountain Biking in my opinion, but that company has been resold and resold for a reason.

im not sure if the new owner running things from home and having an expensive name brand that is now made in china has really thought out that people dont really wanna pay top dollar for chineese bikes even thought it carries an American Name.
 

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from what I've seen in mags and online, they seem like cool bikes. If I were in the market I would at least check them out.
 

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John Tomac was one of the founders of Mountain Biking in my opinion, but that company has been resold and resold for a reason.

im not sure if the new owner running things from home and having an expensive name brand that is now made in china has really thought out that people dont really wanna pay top dollar for chineese bikes even thought it carries an American Name.
Tomac is designed and developed in America. Why the hatred towards "Chinese bikes" anyways? People will pay top dollar for a bike deserving it, not where it's made. I've seen people pay $8000 for a bike made in Taiwan and loved it.

I'm still straddling the fence on whether or not to carry them. The bikes are selling well in Colorado. Florida is the polar opposite of Colorado though.
 

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Tomac is designed and developed in America. Why the hatred towards "Chinese bikes" anyways? People will pay top dollar for a bike deserving it, not where it's made. I've seen people pay $8000 for a bike made in Taiwan and loved it.

I'm still straddling the fence on whether or not to carry them. The bikes are selling well in Colorado. Florida is the polar opposite of Colorado though.
I checked their website this morning and they have alot of different bikes to offer..

Is Tomac still considered a "boutique" bike now that it's made in china?

how are the prices? their website wasent too informative about that.
I also read the story about their "Come Back" in my MTB Mag a couple months ago.
 

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Mt Dora Cycles, what bikes do you currently carry ? I would have looked at them. BUT I have a fairly new Marin I love and I don't live near you what so ever so it might not matter anyways.
I would think you need to have a large customer base to stock the botique brands. My LBS doesn't stock many MTB's but he claims to be able to get a large number of botique brands. I know he has got a few for a number of guys that know exactly what bike they want. He does stock a few fischer / treks and orders bikes for people as needed.

GOOD LUCK
 

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I currently stock Fuji and GT. I was looking for a "boutique bike" to put in my shop. Something popular that no local store is carrying right now that might help bring in customers during the off season. I remembered riding a 98 Special back when it came out and I loved it. That's why I thought of Tomac now.

Proedge: I think a boutique bike would be any company that has a limited number of lines they carry with limited production. It shouldn't matter where it is made.

As far as pricing goes, they are priced similar to Santa Cruz's line-up with the appropriate matching bike. Speaking of Santa Cruz, the guy now designing the Tomac bikes, used to design for Santa Cruz. Neat bit of information.

I am leaning towards opening an account with them and getting a demo bike to take out to Santo's for people to try.
 

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really happy with my Chumba bike
really need to check them out
great people to work with
got to love those "boitique bikes!"
 

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Read the article...

Wasn't there an article in Bike a month or two ago? I was really impressed that each frame was hand inspected by the designer. Can't say that for one of the larger bike companies out there....a LBS in my area has a time trial frame that reads PECIALZED on the non-driveside top-tube..under the clearcoat...talk about quality control:p Exact reason why I would never ride one of their frames.

My take is that people in my area...other coast..like brands....Trek, Giant, Specialized, etc...not so much quality of a small company. People will have to see it to appreciate it. That is the risk you have to take as a shop. If I were in the market for a new bike I would certainly check out Johnny T's bikes:thumbsup: I was never much for the brand herd mentality.
 

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^ I can't believe that LBS didn't return the "pecialized" bike.

I'm not sure if its the designer or someone else that inspects the frames, but yes, each one is hand inspected. That was really cool when they told me that. I did sign up to be a dealer today for Tomac and plan on getting a demo bike soon as I can to take out to the local trails to have people try out. I really wished I could afford the $5500 Carbide SL for the "wow this thing is light" factor but realistically I'll most likely get the Carbide XC2 at $3200 for a demo bike. The price would be more realistic for most people demoing the bike and it is still a super light bike.

Anyways, thanks for those who replied for your feedback.
 

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^ yea, I don't plan on stocking more than 1 and the demo bike. If anything it will be eye candy for people in the shop.

BTW, there's a Pitch near you on CL here.. http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/1240135485.html it's not a pro though. Funny looking downtube on those. :)
 

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Mount Dora Cycles, if you want sales over unique factor I would suggest that you find a brand that is willing to hold bike demos at trails near you. For me, purchasing a new bike is a large undertaking and, due to the expense, I will not purchase a bike unless I can ride one in the size I need (either by borrowing a friend's or attending a demo).

Simply put, if you only have one model in one size than I will not purchase it unless it just happens to be the one I want and is also in my size. The reason is I want to be able to test drive the bike before I purchase it. However, having only one Tomac bike on your shop floor would not be a big an issue if Tomac is willing to haul a trailer full of Tomac bikes to a local trail so your customers can demo/test ride a few different models and sizes. Given the fact you will be the only dealer in hunreds of miles, it is unlikely that Tomac will make it to your area with their demo trailer.

No matter how great the brand, how nice the owners, how great their building/inspecting process is, if you cannot sell a few Tomacs a year than that single bike is taking up space and costing you money.
 

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^ as I can to take out to the local trails to have people try out.
I'm getting the vibe you just want a tomac at dealer prices for yourself. can't say I blame you. if you said 'so people can take it out to the local trail and demo it" then i'd think differently. As much I'd like to say getting the "personal demo tomac" is a poor business practice, if I had just opened a shop I'd probably want to buy pimp new ride as well.
 

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I'm getting the vibe you just want a tomac at dealer prices for yourself. can't say I blame you. if you said 'so people can take it out to the local trail and demo it" then i'd think differently. As much I'd like to say getting the "personal demo tomac" is a poor business practice, if I had just opened a shop I'd probably want to buy pimp new ride as well.
I didn't see this comment earlier but no, the bike would not be for myself. I am not a huge mountain biker. I would order a medium frame to fit more riders. I just bought an old Zaskar for myself I plan on using for more of a commuter bike. When I said that I would take it to the trail, I meant for other people to use. I don't plan on letting someone take it from my shop out to a trail. Thanks for clearing up any confusion there. I'm not sure why you would think it's poor business practice to go out and let people try out the bike. I'm trying to support Tomac's comeback and getting their name out as much as I can. I'd love to see them attempt a road bike.

Schaars: The Demo day would be cool but I don't think Tomac is even doing that anywhere as of yet. I know one of my other brands, GT, is but haven't heard weather or not they plan on coming to my neck of the woods or not. I understand about trying a bike out before buying. I wouldn't expect anyone to buy a bike that expensive without trying it out.
 

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Tomac is designed and developed in America. Why the hatred towards "Chinese bikes" anyways? People will pay top dollar for a bike deserving it, not where it's made. I've seen people pay $8000 for a bike made in Taiwan and loved it.

I'm still straddling the fence on whether or not to carry them. The bikes are selling well in Colorado. Florida is the polar opposite of Colorado though.
The problem people have with Tomac is not the brand recognition in that sense. The brand recognition they have is going out of business several times now. Each time, it's never John and Doug Bradbury's fault. The last time, they collected their paychecks from ABG, and we saw what kind of fiasco that was. They claimed in the beginning they had all this input, but then at the end, claimed they had no part in it. People don't trust the two. The company goes under every few years, lack of confidence in long-term support, and not much special in the designs. The market is very tight and there isn't that much going on there, to be honest, going beyond the questionable name.

People are afraid of Tomac going out of business again. Sure, they look good, but even going back to the Manitou frame days, Bradbury was designing nice looking frames that had many flaws.

People associate him also with Manitou during their really poor period as well. He just doesn't have lots of credibility in making or designing stuff properly. Sure, it will look good, perform ok for a bit, but then it will usually fail.

Regardless, I think it's kind of disingenuous to slap on a Tomac label on these things to get people interested based on the name. Maybe as a racer, he had something going on, but for bikes, he's an utter failure and blames everyone else for it. Put some other name on it, start from scratch, and let it stand on its own and be judged for being good or bad bikes, not simply bikes that have a racer's name on the downtube, and the false impression that he designs them, rather than just doing photoshoots with the line for catalogs.
 
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