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So I'm looking at a new frame this fall, and I'm not really sure what I want. I really would like to try a Banshee Spitfire, but I'm not sure about how well the bushings will hold up in the wet weather of Pisgah. The other bikes I'm looking at are the Santa Cruz Nickel and Butcher. I can't figure out how much travel I really "need". I'm currently riding a 2nd generation Heckler, which works very well for the trails I ride in Pisgah, Dupont, and Bent Creek. I don't do a lot of jumping or big drops, but I like to get in the air when I can, and the roots and rocks can get fairly large. I guess I would call myself an aggressive trail rider.

So, what bike are you riding and what do you like/dislike about it? What are your favorite trails? What's your riding style?
 

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I was actually thinking about the Shova, but I'm not sure if I want to stick with the shock rate of a single pivot. I want an air shock, so the falling rate tends to blow through the travel. Have you ridden the Mbuzi with an air shock?
 

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You seem to be interested in going with one of the smaller, "boutique" brands. If that is so, I'd definitely look at the Banshee for solidity. I'd also look at Pivot, they have those at The Hub and at Motion Makers.
If you're looking at the big brands too, consider the Giant Trance/Reign. Wife just got an Anthem and I'm super impressed by it's quality.
EDITTED FOR accuracy.

I can't believe my 29" hardtail riding arse is offering opinions on "trail bikes" - wtf do I know anyway?
 

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My .02

I think there is too much climbing here for a free ride bike. I like a 5-6" travel trail bike that was designed for climbing as well as descending. I don't do jumps and hucks so I can have my bike set up fairly light.
 

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I was actually thinking about the Shova, but I'm not sure if I want to stick with the shock rate of a single pivot. I want an air shock, so the falling rate tends to blow through the travel. Have you ridden the Mbuzi with an air shock?
I called Richard from Morewood, and he offered to meet me at bent creek to arrange a test ride, and his Mbuzi had an X Fusion air rear shock, X fusion apparently sent him stuff to test. I thought the shock would suck, but it felt great. I could not bottom it, and I brought a shock pump to get a good almost 30% sag. Morewood's local support is underrated! I felt fast first run, I would not want a bike if I had to slow down just to get on it.
This bike is simple, but it fricking rips. If you ride a meduim you can try mine, or I bet Richard would let you ride his, his is air and air, lighter and a little more xc than mine. A fox air rear would work well, and be not so bank as my rich man shock I got, and lighter. I do enough DH to warrant a coil, and I could care less about weight. Man I was one of those guys who would hard sell you on a linkage bike, but after breaking 2 Reign X frames in a row, i want something burly. I weigh 140, and should not be breaking frames like that.
The first time I saw a Shova, the guy left me down Greenslick on it, and I was on a burly Reign X. I did not get it! Morewoods give up no speed at all to linkage rigs, and the design adds buttloads of stiffness. They have such good pop. I also can drive it down or just call Morewood if I have a problem, they are in Fletcher. My rear shock and headset folks are here, too, which makes life nice.
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As you shop, you may consider the Giant Reign. It's a 6" ( a little more than the Trance) travel bike that climbs better than my hardtail. Maybe not as hipster as a Morewood or a Santa Cruz or a Banshee or whatever, but every bit as solid.
 

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bikehick said:
http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=558640&stc=1&d=1280282963

Here is my new Morewood Mbuzi, this thing is fun! I ride in Bent Creek and in Pisgah, I love Black Mtn trail, Bennett, Farlow, etc. Richard from Morewood is beyond helpful, the frame is burly, low, and it wheelies, rails, and pops off a lip great. :D
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Second on the Mbuzi, that is the exact one I ride. Is that a Double Barrel rear shock? How you like it? I have a DHX air and was thinking of swapping in a coil.

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I looked at the Covert. I guess I figured if I was going to get a single pivot, I might as well get a Morewood Shova or Santa Cruz Nickel/Butcher. Plus, my wife says I need to make my 30.9 KS seatpost fit the new frame, so there you go. I have had a Giant Trance X and Reign X, and I really liked both. I'm a bit scared about the pivot durability in the wet conditions around here. Pretty much the same concern I have about the Banshee, except I can't really buy a Trance or Reign frame.

I'm pretty much torn about how much travel is really needed around here. Black Mountain, Bennett Gap, and even a trail or two in Dupont can make 6" feel about right, but really, 5" should be enough for a semi-skilled rider... I'm thinking Shova, Spitfire, Nickel for 5 inches or the Mbuzi or Butcher for 6". I have a Pike I would like to transfer over, so I would probably want to bump up to a slightly bigger fork if I go with the Mbuzi/Butcher. This is difficult, but I must admit that I'm enjoying the process ;)
 

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No Smokebikes, it's true!.....although my hardtail is a 35+ lb rig with a ridiculously steep HA that I use as a trail bike. I forgot to mention that part.
 

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Get a Pivot. they rocket up hill and I have not been left on a downhill yet. Most of the time actually I am doing all the passing. The Pivots really shine when you get them up to speed. I ride a Mach 5 and love it. Have riden some Konas, Treks,and Cannondales in the past and this one makes them all look second rate. I have also wanted to try the Gary Fisher Roscoe though. Liberty bikes is selling a pimped out one for next to nothing in a large frame 19.5". Fully loaded to with x.0 rp24 etc.
 

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I don't care much for Fisher because of their G2 geometry. If I want to replace the fork, I'm stuck. I would love to get a Pivot, but it's a bit out of my price range. I really should keep it around $1500.
 

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So why do you want to give up the Heckler again (asks a fellow happy Heckler rider . . .)? I think you just have RBS (restless bike syndrome). I'll admit, I was eyeing the Banshee Rune recently . . .
 

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+1 for Morewood. I've got a Shova - ridden it all over Pisgah and I can't think of a more perfect bike for our local trails.
 

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I left Santa Cruz a few years ago and now all I want is an SC. I would say get the Nickel or Butcher. The Nickel can take the abuse from what I have been hearing from SC and others, but over all you are looking at less than .5lbs diff between the Butcher or Nickel. If you are thinking Spitfire then definitely the Nickel. If you want a pimped out Heckler then get the Butcher.
 
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