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I'm looking at changing a few components on my hardtail, I currently have a Marin Palisades Trail with the following bits;
XTR brakes & icetech discs
XT crankset
Deore shifters
SLX front and rear derailleurs
XTR spd's
Novatech hubs
DMR 26x2.2 MOTO RT tyres
ROCKSHOX Tora TK

I've just added nicer bits as the original components have worn out, I'm not a hard rider, I just like nice looking & hard wearing components, however, after recently getting stung by my LBS here in Bangkok, Thailand with an apparently counterfeit XT crankset I'm looking at taking a slightly more radical step than before - changing over to SRAM... along with some other changes too, any help would be greatly appreciated!

I was recommended by a REAL bike shop here(the main Cervelo & Marin dstributor in Thailand) to take a look at SRAM's XX1 or X01 groupset, or at least the crankset.

I currently run a 9-speed XT crankset with the largest chainring having 48 teeth, I requested this size as I like to ride fast, initially I didn't mind the higher weight to a 44 tooth crankset but it seemed my bike was just getting heavier and heavier(Icetech discs didn't help, nor did the DMR tyres), so I'm looking at changing almost everything despite the frame & tyres(despite their weight, they look good!).

My thoughts so far are these;

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X01 or XX1 Groupset 11s with a 38 tooth chainring - please excuse my ignorance, I'm not very knowledgeable with regards to the terminology of this stuff! Would the 1x11-speed produce much lower speeds than my current setup? A small different would be ok.

I'm thinking about keeping the XTR levers but changing my discs to something less substantial - I don't go XC very often and I never ride DH so I could go to something much lighter, I've read about several different light discs, what is currently being touted as the lightest? And nearly as importantly, the nicest looking??

Whilst the XTR SPD's I have seem to be bullet-proof, I also think they're pretty hefty, and I could do well to find something a little lighter, I'm thinking perhaps Crank Brothers Egg Beater 11, titanium is quite enticing...

I'll also be looking at forks, whilst the Rockshox I have now feel very nice, they also weigh 2.2kg's and I was hoping to bring that down to about 1.5kg's, I've found some things I like the look of, mostly older carbon PACE forks, but does anybody know of some other carbon forks that don't have bright decals all over them??

I'll leave it at that for the time-being, other components such as seatpost, seat, risers, rims & spokes etc can wait, big things first!

So, what are your opinions? You can tell I'm not a serious rider, but I do like nice looking things, and things that work well too! That's why I plan on stripping the paint off my Marin and going back to my 1994 Marin Rocky Ridge retro aluminium look, along with retro decals(which have been put back on the bikes for 2014 I see!)

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Quite a bit to cover here, but certainly you have many options.

Ideally, we'd like to get a sense of your budget. XX1 and Crank Bros 11 are great, but very expensive ways to go.

I should also point out that wheels and tires are among the most effective ways to reduce weight, both in terms of net weight loss, and also how noticeable the weight loss will be, i.e. rotational. Those tires look like boat anchors to me, and putting the weight aside, and depending on the terrain you cycle, a less aggressive tread pattern may aid your need for speed via less resistance. A tire change could be a win-win for you.

You can get a sense of your potential top speed with a gear, RPM, and ratio calculator. I found one here, although there are several:
Hostel Shoppe Recumbents - the world's largest source for recumbent information, bicycles, trikes and accessories.

As for bling factor or looks, I can certainly appreciate that aspect, but function has to come first. In any event, most of the carbon and Ti stuff in WW world tend to look pretty sweet anyway.

Fill us in on a few of the details I've asked about, and you'll get some great suggestions in this subforum.
 

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There is a company out there that sells a nice axle (it has changed it's name recently to avoid litigation), which you could put on a set of older ti2's (ti body) and get similar weights to the 11's at about a quarter of the price.

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My budget is fairly open, I understand the costs of the more expensive bits but if I buy them as I go along I should be ok.

I started out with the stock tyres for this bike which were Continental Mountain King 26x2.2 and they slipped all over the roads of Bangkok, I decided to go for something with a little finer grip for roads in the form of Maxxis Larsson 26x1.9 but they were just more dangerous! The amount of sand on these roads is ridiculous, so after some exploring I came across the DMR MOTO RT tyres, they were so good that I immediately bought another set for when these were worn out, these DMR's have a very low rolling resistance too.

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So, in all honesty, the tyres are staying, like I said in my OP, I know they're heavy, but I'm happy to stick with the safety they offer and try to save weight elsewhere :)

However, I'm open to suggestions Re: rims, I currently have WTB DX 23 Rims which came with the bike, they're apparently 570g each, so I'm sure some savings can be had here, again, my budget is fairly open, but within reason, I'm not keen on spending $1,000 on each wheel...
 

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There is a company out there that sells a nice axle (it has changed it's name recently to avoid litigation), which you could put on a set of older ti2's (ti body) and get similar weights to the 11's at about a quarter of the price.

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I'm not quite with you JRA, can you explain a bit more please?
 

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I know it's a bit off-topic but does anybody know the answer to my crankset question?; Would the 1x11-speed SRAM produce much lower speeds than my current setup? I currently have a 9-speed XT crankset with the largest chainring having 48 teeth
 

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a less aggressive tread pattern may aid your need for speed via less resistance
I should have initially been more clear about my speed thing phlegm, it's not that I can't reach top speed, it's more that once I'm at top speed, I'm pedalling so fast that another chainring would be nice, preferably at the back, that's why I'm thinking if I buy the XX1 or XO1 that I'll end up with lower top speeds than my XT I have now...
 

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I know it's a bit off-topic but does anybody know the answer to my crankset question?; Would the 1x11-speed SRAM produce much lower speeds than my current setup? I currently have a 9-speed XT crankset with the largest chainring having 48 teeth
I gave you a link to a calculator that would tell you. :)
 

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My budget is fairly open, I understand the costs of the more expensive bits but if I buy them as I go along I should be ok.

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So, in all honesty, the tyres are staying, like I said in my OP, I know they're heavy, but I'm happy to stick with the safety they offer and try to save weight elsewhere :)

However, I'm open to suggestions Re: rims, I currently have WTB DX 23 Rims which came with the bike, they're apparently 570g each, so I'm sure some savings can be had here, again, my budget is fairly open, but within reason, I'm not keen on spending $1,000 on each wheel...
I'll assume the 570g weight is purely for the (empty) rim, as a decent carbon wheelset will weigh in the 1500g range, but that's the full wheel (spokes, hub, etc.). I run the Roval carbons on my bike, Easton has various pricepoints in carbon, and you can get nice and light ALU rims from American Classic as well. You have the advantage of riding a 26-inch bike, and thus you may be able to get some great used deals as people move to 29er or 650b. I'd imagine a range of $500 to $1000 for a quality light wheelset (which includes used in great condition).

Re the tires, I had a glance at them as I was not familiar. They indicate several identical tires with varying weights (huh?), but let's average them at 850g a tire:
Products Tyres Moto Rt DMR Bikes

...which is definitely beefy.

Certainly, keep whichever tires you wish, but I suspect there are similarly-treaded tires out there (such as from Schwalbe) where you can hit 550g a tire, for instant savings of 600g, which is significant. I don't ride on pure sand though, so couldn't recommend a specific pattern anyway.
 

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I've had a look around for other tyres and there doesn't seem to be anything quite suitable for here, other than the DMR's I use now, I've checked out Schwalbe but they either don't have the depth of tread to prevent punctures or the close thread needed for these dirty Bangkok roads, I'll keep looking though.

I've asked my LBS if they can import American Classic wheels, I'd definitely be interested in them if I can get them!
 
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