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650b is taking over the market in new sales of bikes, but is there a 650b out there that is a better performer than the Chili? And on that note, will be Warden out perform the Chili?
Sounds like you like the Warden Sharon. How does it compare size-wise to your Medium Chilcotin? Does the Warden climb as well as your Firebird?Just rode the Warden the last two days, I own a Chilcotin. The Warden had the Pike and CC Shock, the Chilcotin has fox suspension.
The Warden was hands down a better climber. Was it the shock? Wheel size? Geo? package?
Pointing down it rode like a knolly. The Pike is a great fork.
I've never felt wanting more descending the Chilcotin, I don't think I'd be wanted more with the Warden either.
The Chilcotin is definitely a quicker handling bike, but I don't think you'd lose much with the Warden for what you gain in climbing ability and more comfort being aggressive on the descent.How do you think the Warden handled the tighter techy stuff in North Van Sharon? Compared to the Chili?
that's a tough one!Sounds like you like the Warden Sharon. How does it compare size-wise to your Medium Chilcotin? Does the Warden climb as well as your Firebird?
KRob, what size Chilli do you ride? I am 5'7 with short legs on a medium and I find it just small enough for me. If the Warden fits larger then I think I would want a small.I still couldn't help but feel that the medium would've felt more snappy and easier to corner.
Sharon, do you have much time on the new endorphin? I'm liking what you're saying about the warden climbing vs the chili. That was my main gripe with it. I love the quickness of the endo over all, but could appreciate something a bit more bomber when...errr...bombing.The Chilcotin is definitely a quicker handling bike, but I don't think you'd lose much with the Warden for what you gain in climbing ability and more comfort being aggressive on the descent.
I found I could be more forward, or less back if you prefer that description, on the descents and going into corners. I also felt the bike was more stable when I edged it more.
Its kinda like a 110 underfoot ski vs a <100 underfoot ski. You can go faster, more confidently, but if you want it to be quick you have to work harder.
I haven't tried the new endorphin, my impression would be its more xc, and a better climber. The Chilcotin replaced the old (and my) endorphin which I didn't think was very xc.Sharon, do you have much time on the new endorphin? I'm liking what you're saying about the warden climbing vs the chili. That was my main gripe with it. I love the quickness of the endo over all, but could appreciate something a bit more bomber when...errr...bombing.
On the climbing aspect of the Warden, is it a weight thing, design, or the suspension components? Or a combo?I haven't tried the new endorphin, my impression would be its more xc, and a better climber. The Chilcotin replaced the old (and my) endorphin which I didn't think was very xc.
This bike weighed the same as my chilcotin, 31lbs, had the maxxis minion tires front and rear, pumped up to hard enough. My Chilcotin has a minion front/ardent rear - so should climb faster before the ardent loses traction.On the climbing aspect of the Warden, is it a weight thing, design, or the suspension components? Or a combo?
Your description sounds like the Warden is like the new endorphin (climbing) and the old dt (handling) in the same package.
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If possible, try the Warden at a shop that will let you change out stems and let you spend a some time pedaling it around (even a parking lot). You should be able to tell fairly quickly if you want a small or medium (especially if you can ride them back to back). If not, and you're a tweener and like to size up then I would do the same on the Warden.KRob, what size Chilli do you ride? I am 5'7 with short legs on a medium and I find it just small enough for me. If the Warden fits larger then I think I would want a small.
Thanks Sharon.This bike weighed the same as my chilcotin, 31lbs, had the maxxis minion tires front and rear, pumped up to hard enough. My Chilcotin has a minion front/ardent rear - so should climb faster before the ardent loses traction.
I did feel more upright in the saddle, maybe the steeper seat tube is good? I really think the CC shock makes a difference. Just kept the suspension more stable.
I ride a large Chilcotin and would consider going to medium Warden just for the shorter wheelbase if nothing else. However, I will say I have yet to ride a large with a truly short stem. I think one had a 70 or 80 mm stem and the other had a 60mm.KRob, what size Chilli do you ride? I am 5'7 with short legs on a medium and I find it just small enough for me. If the Warden fits larger then I think I would want a small.