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Just found out through word of mouth that Victory Hill Trails in VT are closed for the upcoming season? Website confirms and says details will come forward soon. Anyone have any more info?
 

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Just found out through word of mouth that Victory Hill Trails in VT are closed for the upcoming season? Website confirms and says details will come forward soon. Anyone have any more info?
https://victoryhillmtb.com/

"BREAKING NEWS: Victory Hill Sector will NOT be holding our volunteer day on Sunday. We are also SUSPENDING ALL membership registration and trail preparation activities
An unfortunate situation has manifested itself. An announcement will be made in the next day or so."
 

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Disrespectful asshole tourists? Maybe.....
From September of last year...
"Bikers coming from East Burke. PLEASE . PLEASE DO NOT USE Kirby Mountain Road to get to VH. MTB folks have been driving past the farm and retreat center on the Victory side of Kirby Mountain Road at high speed. A lady biker from Massatwoshetts in an SUV drove by there three weeks ago and killed their cat..and kept right on driving! Five chickens have been killed as well.

They've tried putting speed bars by the farm which helped slow passing cars and then some assholes complained to the Town of Kirby about the speed bars! Whoever complained...those bikers are no longer welcome on VH.

PLEASE drive around from East Burke from Rt 114 and the Victory Bog Road.

If bikers continue to use Kirby Mountain road you are risking the future of our trails. VH will be shut down.

THANKS."
 

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I would place a large bet it's not disrespectful tourists. Victory has a truly messed up local government in a way that's almost impossible to describe. From the history of the last 30 years, I bet one of the warring town factions went after the Victory Hill folks legally in some manner. Taxes, zoning, permits, some punitive action.

When we were there for the ESC Enduro race the land owner got hauled into town meeting to "explain themselves" in the middle of the event.

There are some long standing toxic events going on over there that it's clear no one can stop and you don't want to get caught in the middle of. Very sorry to hear such an amazing effort and venue are in trouble.

For more reading:
Seven Days: an-ongoing-feud-illustrates-the-dark-side-of-small-town-life

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont...ctory-the-feuding-goes-on/Content?oid=3084817

Seven Days: after-decades-of-feuding-is-it-time-to-disband-the-tiny-town-of-victory

Seven Days: the-agony-of-defeat
 

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Wow, just read through those articles and I’m amazed a town of 60-70 people can have such a dysfunctional, spiteful functioning. Strange and interesting stuff.


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I would place a large bet it's not disrespectful tourists. Victory has a truly messed up local government in a way that's almost impossible to describe. From the history of the last 30 years, I bet one of the warring town factions went after the Victory Hill folks legally in some manner. Taxes, zoning, permits, some punitive action.

When we were there for the ESC Enduro race the land owner got hauled into town meeting to "explain themselves" in the middle of the event.

There are some long standing toxic events going on over there that it's clear no one can stop and you don't want to get caught in the middle of. Very sorry to hear such an amazing effort and venue are in trouble.

For more reading:
Seven Days: an-ongoing-feud-illustrates-the-dark-side-of-small-town-life

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont...ctory-the-feuding-goes-on/Content?oid=3084817

Seven Days: after-decades-of-feuding-is-it-time-to-disband-the-tiny-town-of-victory

Seven Days: the-agony-of-defeat
Holy ****. :\
 

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Well. If people choose a life in Vt that is removed from the traffic and entitlement of the touristas, that is their right. Not everyone wants tourism to save them. Some folks just want their small town left alone. I get that. It's a shame all that work went in, but maybe more outreach should have been done to see if those locals who's lives would be affected by the creeping of the KT out into surrounding areas. I certainly would not want to live next door to a tourist destination. Been there, done that. It sucks. Did the land owners put on the Enduro without any notification to the town? That's dumb. If they are operating a pay to play trail network that is going to drastically change the traffic patterns, I imagine they need to be zoned commercial and take steps to mitigate friction with adjoining land owners, probably public notice needed ect. It certainly opens them up to liability as per the Vermont Landowner Liability act.

Thanks for the back round. I remember reading the 7 days piece.
The facebook post has been removed. If you make a public statement and suggest more information coming soon, and you don't want banter and speculation in public forums....this after posting in public....then provide some information...?
 

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At least you're predictable Dave. You can always find a way to move every conversation back to the things that you dislike.

None of the issues named in that reporting are about tourism, and none of them are about "wanting to be left alone". It's the exact opposite, people who can't stay out of each other's business dragging down an entire community over their petty wars.

If the issues at Victory Hill were about their visitors misbehaving, the owners wouldn't have gone silent like they have. They would have instead done the exact same things they have done in the past when minor things came up that caused friction with their neighbors, the owners would have worked hard to make sure their visitors behaved better.

If you knew these landowners you wouldn't accuse them of being a neighborhood menace.
 

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Really hoping this is not a permanent thing. I love that network of trails and was hoping to get back there this summer and hit the the trails I missed last time. I could see it going either way with inconsiderate bikers or crazy locals or some combination. Although a lot of riders are considerate there are always a few that could give a **** and ruin it for others.
 

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At least you're predictable Dave. You can always find a way to move every conversation back to the things that you dislike.

None of the issues named in that reporting are about tourism, and none of them are about "wanting to be left alone". It's the exact opposite, people who can't stay out of each other's business dragging down an entire community over their petty wars.

If the issues at Victory Hill were about their visitors misbehaving, the owners wouldn't have gone silent like they have. They would have instead done the exact same things they have done in the past when minor things came up that caused friction with their neighbors, the owners would have worked hard to make sure their visitors behaved better.

If you knew these landowners you wouldn't accuse them of being a neighborhood menace.
There is clear friction between the folks who's animals are getting killed and the MTBers driving too fast and too often past their house. The message above about the speed bumps, dead cat, chickens and speeders was taken off the VH FB page. If they were dragged in to the town meeting to "Explain themselves" during a big regional event, then I would suggest not everyone in town is 100 percent on board. I am not making any statements about the land owners aside from that fact that is was not smart to hold the ESE without public notification if that is what happened. Also, it's unfortunate that they moved into such a dysfunctional town to attempt to build out and operate a MTB destination when their (perhaps crazy) neighbors aren't into a commercial MTB spot being located down the road. Pretty sure this has something to do with MTB tourism... at least a little. As blasphemous as my anti-tourist rants may seem...every day that vibe creeps more into the conversation all over the country and the world, becasue there is more than a little validity to the opinions expressed there. I never wish for trail to be closed. I think these folks should be able to do what they want with their land. Those trails look awesome. All that. Hoping that this is not due to some horrible human tragedy for these folks. If it is access or some other legal or civil troubles, we're all interested to hear what's up. Patrick K is back in VT. Send him up there to smooth **** over...
 

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After reading about the attitudes of the small population in Victory - VH trails seemed doomed to fail. The trail network around NEK is quickly growing and creeping into surrounding areas and the VH trails became hugely popular very quickly. Those quiet dirt roads quickly became flooded with out of town, enduro bros and I bet the locals noticed quickly.

If the locals in Victory are half as angry as they sound, I'm shocked those trails lasted as long as they did.

Dave does have a point. KT has become hugely popular in the last decade and the tourism has greatly help a few towns around. But just because Burke and East Haven folks are okay with mountain bikers flooding their towns, doesn't mean Victory wants the same.

I'll just have to stick to Perry Hill for scratch my local bro-enduro itch.
 

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Although I love the idea of mountain biking helping revitalize an area I can totally understand people in a town of under 100 people not looking to be overrun with people. Most people who move and live in small towns aren't usually looking to be near a lot of people... Hope there is a way to keep access. Maybe no parking on site. Have to ride in and out from Burke so it avoids the car traffic?
 

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I just got an e mail with the PDF attached. Apparently the town clerk filed a complaint about VH being subject to act 250 for operating Commercial facilities and Events. A judgement agreed. They either have to stop improvements, construction and commercial operations or go through permitting ect. They have until May 30th to notify the town of their intentions.

Could have state-wide ramifications for pay to play, and commercial trail work operations. As a trail builder, I have wondered how we can move so much dirt with machines ect without any permitting. Seems like the state might be catching on.
https://anrweb.vt.gov/ANR/vtANR/Act250SearchResults.aspx?Num=JO-7-286
 

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Although I love the idea of mountain biking helping revitalize an area I can totally understand people in a town of under 100 people not looking to be overrun with people. Most people who move and live in small towns aren't usually looking to be near a lot of people... Hope there is a way to keep access. Maybe no parking on site. Have to ride in and out from Burke so it avoids the car traffic?
I'll bet people will sneak into the trails by pedaling from KT. Just don't get caught by a shotgun yielding local.
 

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I would place a large bet it's not disrespectful tourists. Victory has a truly messed up local government in a way that's almost impossible to describe. From the history of the last 30 years, I bet one of the warring town factions went after the Victory Hill folks legally in some manner. Taxes, zoning, permits, some punitive action.

When we were there for the ESC Enduro race the land owner got hauled into town meeting to "explain themselves" in the middle of the event.

There are some long standing toxic events going on over there that it's clear no one can stop and you don't want to get caught in the middle of. Very sorry to hear such an amazing effort and venue are in trouble.

For more reading:
Seven Days: an-ongoing-feud-illustrates-the-dark-side-of-small-town-life

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont...ctory-the-feuding-goes-on/Content?oid=3084817

Seven Days: after-decades-of-feuding-is-it-time-to-disband-the-tiny-town-of-victory

Seven Days: the-agony-of-defeat
Oh, that's rich!
 

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How many of you guys have been to Victory? It's hardly over-run with mountain bikers. With the exception of the ESC, I have never seen more than 2 or 3 cars there. And to over-run the town, first you'd need a town to over-run. You drive past a couple of houses on one wide dirt road. If you come over the hill past the little farm, it is literally the only house on that road. I can't even imagine how people could drive fast on it, I'm always creeping along trying not to rip the bottom of my car off, or I should say, I was, as I no longer go that way. Either way, Flower seems to be OK with bikers, just not fast ones running over her cat! I have to think that for her, she could sell more herbal stuff to people passing through, it's probably more good than bad for them.

It's a shame about the Act 250 stuff, you read the VT Digger article and see that 80% of the town is on disability or some other form of public assistance, and it seems like this has to be about pure jealousy. Also, it's laughable to think that mountain bike trails are "damaging" to former paper company land.
 

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How many of you guys have been to Victory? It's hardly over-run with mountain bikers. With the exception of the ESC, I have never seen more than 2 or 3 cars there. And to over-run the town, first you'd need a town to over-run. You drive past a couple of houses on one wide dirt road. If you come over the hill past the little farm, it is literally the only house on that road. I can't even imagine how people could drive fast on it, I'm always creeping along trying not to rip the bottom of my car off, or I should say, I was, as I no longer go that way. Either way, Flower seems to be OK with bikers, just not fast ones running over her cat! I have to think that for her, she could sell more herbal stuff to people passing through, it's probably more good than bad for them.

It's a shame about the Act 250 stuff, you read the VT Digger article and see that 80% of the town is on disability or some other form of public assistance, and it seems like this has to be about pure jealousy. Also, it's laughable to think that mountain bike trails are "damaging" to former paper company land.
I've been there quite a few times and I saw it get progressively more crowded each time I came. I also helped a guy get his Civic out of a ditch because he was driving too fast on the road before the lot.
 
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