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I'm looking for a frame I pickup second hand and build up. I like how modular GG is and that you can build several bikes from one. Would you buy one second hand? I was previously scoping out a Titan or Prime but think the Smash would fit the bill.
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Hopefully this helps you. I own a 2020 Smash, and one of my riding buddies bought a used 2019 Prime last summer. Ive ridden it a couple of times, although not to the extent that it would classify a true trial. While I really like the Prime, and wouldn't hesitate owning one, my Smash just blows it out of the water performance-wise in my humble opinion. Obviously your local trails, riding style, and desires will be more important than a random opinion online but I'd go Smash if given the choice. Completely biased opinion of course.

As for used, as long as either bike doesn't appear abused I think you'd be safe either way. The GG frame construction is really burly and mine barely shows any signs that its been ridden (when clean of course). My buddies Prime is holding up fantastically too and hasn't had any issues since he bought it. I think he had to replace the bearings in the rear hub, but that's hardly a Banshee issue. There's a thread on here that goes into detail about the shock sag setup on the Prime and I'd recommend reading up on it if you go that route as it truly makes a big difference in how it rides once you get the shock set up right.

Again, hope that helps. Good luck.
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I ride both a Banshee and a Guerrilla Gravity. The biggest difference I find between the two is the chain stay length and wheel base. My Banshee has 1190mm wheel base and 452mm chain stays The Guerrilla Gravity has 1240mm wheel base and 427mm chain stays. Take a look on geometrygeeks website and compare the two models you are interested in. I think you will find those geometry specs to be very different.

I did not consider how different chain stay and wheel base length would ride when I got my two bikes. They are very different and I have developed a preference since riding them both. Neither is leave my stable anytime soon.
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I have a 2018 megatrail (aluminum, 165mm) and 2021 spitfire (135mm). The spitfire suspension feels so good my guess is if travel were the same for a better comparison banshee would blow GG out of the water. But i love both bikes, you definitely can’t go wrong with either.
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They are very different and I have developed a preference since riding them both.
You went on to say neither bike will leave your stable soon so I get that you like them both but inasmuch as I own one of these brands, I'm curious which one you prefer.
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Based on my experience riding my best friend's Prime V3, it's so good it's almost unbelievable. Like.... punches WAY above its weight for a 135mm rear end. We live and ride in AZ, doing the 'big-boy' sedona trails, SoMo, Lemmon, etc. It's a quiver-killer.
The only limitation is the small rear travel doesn't handle ' big hucks' as well as a 150+ rear end but man if you want an 'all-day' rig that can handle pretty much anything, I wouldn't discount the Banshee.

I've never heard anything bad about GG bikes, but the only time I've ever seen a megatrail or Smash in person, the rider was DEFINITELY more gravity-oriented and wasn't concerned with it's pedalibility.
Based on my experience riding my best friend's Prime V3, it's so good it's almost unbelievable. Like.... punches WAY above its weight for a 135mm rear end. We live and ride in AZ, doing the 'big-boy' sedona trails, SoMo, Lemmon, etc. It's a quiver-killer.
The only limitation is the small rear travel doesn't handle ' big hucks' as well as a 150+ rear end but man if you want an 'all-day' rig that can handle pretty much anything, I wouldn't discount the Banshee.

I've never heard anything bad about GG bikes, but the only time I've ever seen a megatrail or Smash in person, the rider was DEFINITELY more gravity-oriented and wasn't concerned with it's pedalibility.
Only prob with the banshee punching above its weight was i got going way too fast on it and crashed hard when i couldn’t make a turn. That said the banshee tires were less meaty and i got a smaller size to make it more playful. If i “needed” a new FS bike tomorrow it would be a banshee.
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I bought a very lightly used Smash. Guy bought the wrong size and since he had quite the stable it went unridden. It's a 2018 aluminum frame but that's what I was after geo wise. I picked up the complete bike with top shelf parts for an incredible price at the end of '19 before bike prices went mental, and saved by driving to his house to pick it up. The deal included Mega Trail stays and both a coil and air shock too.
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You went on to say neither bike will leave your stable soon so I get that you like them both but inasmuch as I own one of these brands, I'm curious which one you prefer.
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I was waiting for someone to call me out. My Banshee is a 2015 Phantom V1, my GG is a 2018 Shred Dogg. I like the Banshee better overall.

I prefer the KS suspension to the Horst link and I really like the stability of the longer chain stays. The Banshee chain stays are length adjustable and the dropouts let you adjust the HA. It is an amazing climber and even better on the descents. I like AL frame MTBs and I love that the GG SD was handmade in Colorado. It looks great in my shop, on the back of my car and on the trail. And I really like riding it. I would recommend a AL frame GG to anyone. The SD can be converted to a Megatrail: just a shock with a longer stroke is all you need. And you can convert a 2018 SD to a Smash with just a set of wheels (might be limited on tire width but not by much). So yes, you can make several different bikes out of one. I am definitely a fan boy for AL GG frames.

In the end, I find myself riding the Banshee more than the Shred Dogg. If I was buying a new frame today, it would be a Prime or another Phantom.
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I bought a very lightly used Smash. Guy bought the wrong size and since he had quite the stable it went unridden. It's a 2018 aluminum frame but that's what I was after geo wise. I picked up the complete bike with top shelf parts for an incredible price at the end of '19 before bike prices went mental, and saved by driving to his house to pick it up. The deal included Mega Trail stays and both a coil and air shock too.
You got a killer combo! I put a 29fork/ wheel on my megatrail and its the shiz. I have an air shock to make it a shred dogg but never use that setup now that i have the spitfire. On that note, if anyone wants a RS super deluxe RC3 for a 2018 GG shred dogg i’d gladly sell it (50 hrs of use, freshly serviced).
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I'm looking for a frame I pickup second hand and build up. I like how modular GG is and that you can build several bikes from one. Would you buy one second hand? I was previously scoping out a Titan or Prime but think the Smash would fit the bill.
I'll preface this a bunch by saying "I've never ridden any of these bikes". So... grain of salt and all that.

What I have done though, is obsess about frames for the better part of 2 years. And both Banshee, and GG (Gnarvana for me) were on the list.

The few relevant points that I'll call out for you, is that the geo is pretty different, as mentioned. The Smash has 440mm chainstays, while the Titan is using 452mm, and the Prime is using 450mm chainstays. The Smash has a HTA more similar to the Titan, but travel between the two. The Prime has a steeper HTA. by one full degree. The smash is also 11mm longer in reach. That, plus the shorter chainstays, will lead to a fairly different ride feel.

Also, when you "convert" a GG bike, the geo adjust a fair bit too, just by the nature of changing it. So if you bought a Smash, and then wanted a Gnarvana, you could totally do that, but your reach would shrink (11mm), your stack would increase (8mm), and your STA would slacken (1 degree). That may, or may not be a problem. I just wanted to call that difference out. And finally, depending on your component specs, and the bikes you're switching between on the GG, you may or may not need a fair number of parts to do the swap.

I ended up not buying a GG, for three big reasons.
  1. I "think" I'm between size 3 and 4 for GG, even considering their reach adjust system. Kind of confirmed by when I change my height by an inch on the configurator, they suggest a different size frame completely, and by comparing it to my current bike (which feels a bit small to me), and theirs being only 8mm larger.
  2. While GG is a good deal cheaper than lots of carbon frame bikes, they were a few hundred dollars past my absolute top end of my budget.
  3. The Gnarvana was the main bike I was interested in. And looking at it, it didn't seem to pedal all that well. At least not enough to use for what I wanted for it to be my only bike.
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I've never heard anything bad about GG bikes, but the only time I've ever seen a megatrail or Smash in person, the rider was DEFINITELY more gravity-oriented and wasn't concerned with it's pedalibility
Prime was on my considered list, picked up a Smash two months ago as did my wife. Both of us can climb as fast/faster than we were on our previous 650b dw bikes that were probably 6lb lighter and that's on trails we've ridden hundreds of times. I'm sure the Prime is great too, but I certainly can't say the Smash doesn't climb and it definitely crushes the descents.
I'll preface this a bunch by saying "I've never ridden any of these bikes". So... grain of salt and all that.

What I have done though, is obsess about frames for the better part of 2 years. And both Banshee, and GG (Gnarvana for me) were on the list.

The few relevant points that I'll call out for you, is that the geo is pretty different, as mentioned. The Smash has 440mm chainstays, while the Titan is using 452mm, and the Prime is using 450mm chainstays. The Smash has a HTA more similar to the Titan, but travel between the two. The Prime has a steeper HTA. by one full degree. The smash is also 11mm longer in reach. That, plus the shorter chainstays, will lead to a fairly different ride feel.

Also, when you "convert" a GG bike, the geo adjust a fair bit too, just by the nature of changing it. So if you bought a Smash, and then wanted a Gnarvana, you could totally do that, but your reach would shrink (11mm), your stack would increase (8mm), and your STA would slacken (1 degree). That may, or may not be a problem. I just wanted to call that difference out. And finally, depending on your component specs, and the bikes you're switching between on the GG, you may or may not need a fair number of parts to do the swap.

I ended up not buying a GG, for three big reasons.
  1. I "think" I'm between size 3 and 4 for GG, even considering their reach adjust system. Kind of confirmed by when I change my height by an inch on the configurator, they suggest a different size frame completely, and by comparing it to my current bike (which feels a bit small to me), and theirs being only 8mm larger.
  2. While GG is a good deal cheaper than lots of carbon frame bikes, they were a few hundred dollars past my absolute top end of my budget.
  3. The Gnarvana was the main bike I was interested in. And looking at it, it didn't seem to pedal all that well. At least not enough to use for what I wanted for it to be my only bike.
What did you end up getting instead?
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What did you end up getting instead?
My Titan frame should be showing up tomorrow :). It will be a bit before I have it together though, so I won’t have much feedback on it for a while.

I’m not intending for this to be anti-GG at all. I really do like their bikes.

The Titan is a bit larger in size large than a GG Gnarvana is in size 3 in the long position. So for me the Titan was a bit closer to what I think my ideal size is, even though the difference between them isn’t huge.

The MSRP difference between new frames isn’t all that large either, but I ended up getting a bit of a deal on the Banshee, so the difference after shipping and stuff was $500. Not chump change to me at least.

Most people report the Banshee pedals better. So as I was wanting a more “one bike “ solution here in the PNW, the Titan seemed to make a bit more sense.

And… I must admit. The Raw finish is very appealing to me.

I very well could end up with a GG in the future though. They are one of the few carbon fiber bikes on my radar.
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My Titan frame should be showing up tomorrow :). It will be a bit before I have it together though, so I won’t have much feedback on it for a while.

I’m not intending for this to be anti-GG at all. I really do like their bikes.

The Titan is a bit larger in size large than a GG Gnarvana is in size 3 in the long position. So for me the Titan was a bit closer to what I think my ideal size is, even though the difference between them isn’t huge.

The MSRP difference between new frames isn’t all that large either, but I ended up getting a bit of a deal on the Banshee, so the difference after shipping and stuff was $500. Not chump change to me at least.

Most people report the Banshee pedals better. So as I was wanting a more “one bike “ solution here in the PNW, the Titan seemed to make a bit more sense.

And… I must admit. The Raw finish is very appealing to me.

I very well could end up with a GG in the future though. They are one of the few carbon fiber bikes on my radar.
As I mentioned earlier I can’t directly compare a 135mm banshee to a 165mm GG but i agree. My next question is if i do a 160ish mm banshee mullet do i get the 29er and reduce rear wheel or the 27 and fork up. Thats a topic for another thread and fortunately not an issue i still love my megatrail mullet.
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...My next question is if i do a 160ish mm banshee mullet do i get the 29er and reduce rear wheel or the 27 and fork up....
I have researched/thought about this. I think it depends on how you like your chain stays. If you go for the 29er and reduce the rear wheel, you can adjust the BB height with the dropouts. You get the longest option for chain stays. But if you want shorter chain stays, then you go the 27.5 wheel frame route.
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I own a 2020 Titan, a 2019 Paradox and a 2020 GG Shred Dogg/Pistola.
I will say that the GG suspension quality is very good, whereas as the Banshee KS link is excellent. Two different bikes from 2 great small manufacturers.
If I only owned 1 bike, personally, I would probably go with the GG with extra parts to get 2 bikes out of it. If you want to keep life simple and want a bike only for a specific purpose, like a mid travel 29er and don't think you would need anything else, or you don't want to deal with swapping out the stays, shock and fork etc I'd go with a Banshee.
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I had a Revved Shred Dogg, put about 250 miles on it and then sold it for a Banshee Spitfire V3. Transferred all the parts from frame to frame, aside from the rear shock and dropper post. The SD rode aggressively, it charged hard, and I had a great time on it. The fit and finish details drove me batty though.

I don't have a ton of miles on the v3 Spitfire yet. The fit and finish is spot on. I was surprised to find myself setting PRs on trails I've ridden for years. It really is a fun bike. No regrets switching frames. I wish I hadn't had the nitpicks with the GG as I liked the way the it rode.


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Long chainstays are a thing, suspension can be tuned, but long back end will stay long.

My size 3 Revved Shred 27.5 has 423mm chainstays and my large Canfield Tilt 29er has 425mm chainstays. Both bikes are set up very similar.

I tend to ride the Tilt more because it’s new 😊 and because the bigger wheels roll through tech better, but I prefer the Shred for play biking as it’s more agile than the Tilt.

Anything longer than 435mm makes me raise an eyebrow at the intended use … I ride mountain bikes in tight terrain.

I’ve ridden FS bikes with chainstays as short as 415mm, and I never felt there was any instability at speed, so I’m not sure why a longer chainstay would be necessary; for sure a longer chainstay makes a bike less maneuverable.

GG has a really good suspension design.
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