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Hey all,

I'm considering buying a Turner because I hear they are awesome on the hills, but I have one main hangup about how Dave designs his frames. Almost all of the best brands spec integrated headsets, so why doesn't Turner?? IHs are stiffer, more reliable, and allow us to run lighter forks with less steer tube. I have heard that Turner really pays close attention to the opinions of its customers, so is there the possibility of Turner making their frames with IHs in the near future?
 

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Hey Holmes, define "best brands". I don't see Ventana, Nicolai(Jamis), Titus, Knolly, Transition or Santa Cruz running Integrated headsets. If you are talking about Giant, Trek, Speshy, ect...then your opinion of "the best" may be slightly different from the rest of us on this board.
 

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ahmen. that bein said, i dont wanna scare the new guy off just yet. were a picky bunch and dont think of the big production brands as nessesarily makin the top of the heap, high end stuff.

ive owned and ridden a '02 homegrown for 5 years. i like it fine, more than fine really. but its ihs is no winner. bearing issues, poor seals, rusted bits, tight spots, etc.... give me a high end h/set any day. my king from '95 is still goin strong on my turner burner, thank you very much. that should tell ya how good they are and how dependable a turner is at the same time. now go place yer order and join the elitest snobs of the turner homers.

any questions, just ask. youll be hard pressed to find more real world experience in this joint than right here and we tend to be very helpful too.
 

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Good lord, you mean people actually WANT an integrated Headset???

what a bastard creation. smaller bearings, weaker interface, just as much bearing exposure. what's the point? to make the MTB look like a road bike?

Check-it if CK won't touch em. there has to be a half decent reason...and they list several.

For me, I'm gonna spend money on a decent headset, I 'd like it to complement the bike and not be hidden, and I'd like it to last neigh forever.



But then I'm a slave to the BLING... so my POV may be a bit skewed.
 

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bigleg82 said:
IHs are stiffer, more reliable, and allow us to run lighter forks with less steer tube.
You are clearly not ready for any quality bike. Would you qualify the above statement please? Stiffer? Not a chance. More reliable? Laughable. Lighter forks? Wow, maybe 25 grams savings?

Fo, is that you?
 

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hey guys. ease up on the newby. we all started not knowin what worked at some point before we became gawds of mtbr. at least in our own minds.
 

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cc, in my own mind I'm not even a demi-god... hell last I checked I wasn't even carrying demigod shorts. Not that I'd want to.

Bigleg... let the IHS go... it's not a deciding point unless you really like the look, AND you're shopping for an XC bike.

Headsets are a thing of beauty...not to be hidden... stuffing those bearings inside the headtube only requires smaller bearings, and weaker headtubes. No benifit. ditch em. Only Roadies care about the wind resistance...
 

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WTF

Integrated POO

Is this for real, 1st post must be Gonzo:D

OK I hear ya CC, but hey for all you newbies show some respect and do some research, there's a tonme of info in here and one if not the best data bases around, if you are real and talk of quality you'll soon get the picture then you can ask some intelligent questions we can take the piss out of:D

Integrated keep it on ya spechy,Trek Crack n fails and what ever

I'm outta here:D I hate the word integrated, reminds me of STI on mtb! s integrated = biggest marketing crap of the mtb century :confused:

Chir..

ps you trying to do Chris Kng outta business :confused:
 

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Chris King response to IH

http://chrisking.com/pdfs/Int Headsets Explained.pdf

BigLeg 82,
Why not 81 or 83, (three to the fourth power or a prime number)? But, I digress.

I can't believe your really serious, but if you are go to King's website and read the thoughts of an expert. Likely, your a roady with a plastic bike. Check out Serotta's website. No integrated headsets. And none coming any time soon.

Cheers,

Kane
 

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bigleg82 said:
Hey all,

I'm considering buying a Turner because I hear they are awesome on the hills, but I have one main hangup about how Dave designs his frames. Almost all of the best brands spec integrated headsets, so why doesn't Turner?? IHs are stiffer, more reliable, and allow us to run lighter forks with less steer tube. I have heard that Turner really pays close attention to the opinions of its customers, so is there the possibility of Turner making their frames with IHs in the near future?
Turner does pay close attention to his customers and in this case, the customers have spoken against this awful invention.
 

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bigleg82 said:
Hey all,

I'm considering buying a Turner because I hear they are awesome on the hills, but I have one main hangup about how Dave designs his frames. Almost all of the best brands spec integrated headsets, so why doesn't Turner?? IHs are stiffer, more reliable, and allow us to run lighter forks with less steer tube. I have heard that Turner really pays close attention to the opinions of its customers, so is there the possibility of Turner making their frames with IHs in the near future?
Best Brands? Not really.
Stiffer? No.
More reliable? No.
Lighter forks? The fork actually has to be slightly bigger. Unimportant when you are running a 5-6 lb fork anyway.

Def read the article that Chris King has on his website.
 

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Hard work

I work very hard, very very hard not to pigeon hole my customers into one kind of headset, or bottom bracket or front derailer. Other than a bulgy head tube as some might find that attractive I see no reason to go that route on a Turner Bike, none. Image buying a high end frame and rolling down to the local to pick up some critical parts so you can complete the swap of your old bikes parts to the shiny new frame. You will need a integrated headset and one off press in BB that is so cheap the frame ain't even threaded and an OE mostly E plate front derailer you have to toss the plate to use. No SRAM allowed, No King or Cane Creek 110, no choices. Kinda narrow minded don't ya think?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, as I do listen, but I listen to a lot of riders and have to distill the info into the next generation frames. As you can see, high end riders don't like integrated nothing. Integrated really means mass production ease.

DT
 
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