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I was riding the TRW to Hawes trail (Red Mountain Ranch over Power/B-Line) and at the trail head there was a construction crew putting up fence posts. In addition, ¼ mile in on the first big climb there was a secondary series of post. They have not hung the fence yet but it will clearly cut off the TRW trailhead in two sections. Does any one have any info regarding what is happing? I have been riding there for 10 years now and I never seen any signs posted at the trailhead prohibiting use of the trail. Isn’t the owner, city or private, obligated to notify the users of an established trail. Furthermore, I am not a lawyer but isn’t there inherent rights of the individuals who have had utilized the trail for 7 years.. or maybe 10. I have forgotten. Regardless, this same issue played out with T100 and the Tatum access trail. Is there anything we can do?
 

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There was a thread on this not long ago

The early part of that trail crosses land in TRW's holdings, which they feel they have to fence off now due to Dept of Homeland Security/Dept of Defense guidelines for DOD contractors.

The MTB communications on this should be directed to the Planning Department and elected officials at the City of Mesa.
 

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You don't have a prayer fighting this battle, TRW has never given anyone permission to use that area, they just chose to look the other way. Now they are obligated to increase security at that facility which means the fences are going up. They had looked at doing this for the past 6 or 7 years but it was never in the buget. Totally different scenerio from T100 access issue.
 

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Okay....here is the official on Hawes......I was told the area which is owned by TRW was declared a Defrag.....zone because of the it's close location to Talley and TRW. Federal Inspectors were very adamant that in case of an emergencey.....that specific area needed to be secured from bikers, hikers, ect. With today's day and age.....I can see their security concerns...Can you blame them? So in regards to fighting it............thumbs down......and that's the official word
 

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The real deal

I work for the City of Mesa and here is the e-mail that was sent to us. It was a nice trail while it lasted. Hawes, however, is still kosher.

This e-mail has been approved for distribution by Police Assistant Chief Portee.

The Police Department has been informed that the TRW trail, which has been used for hiking, cycling and ATVing in the past, is closed as of 7-12-2004 and will remain closed to all recreation and traffic in the future. The reason for the closure is that the trail is in the middle of the mandated fragmentation zone for Talley Industries and federal inspectors are requiring Talley to enforce the zone as a public safety measure. A fence will be erected at the southern property line of Talley industries, which is a short distance from the southern entrance to the trail. The fence will extend north to Talley's northern property line and then extend west to meet up with existing fence to the west. Talley is forced to strictly enforce trespassing laws once the fence is up and signs are posted. Talley Industries will utilize the Mesa Police Department to assist with any trespassing issues on their properties.

The property to the north of Talley industries, where the upper portion of TRW trail is located, belongs to the Salt River Indian Community and it is also closed to public use.

Please discontinue the use of the TRW trail and let anyone, who doesn't have access to email, know of this closure since this trail was a very popular trail for many of our City employees to use.
 

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So i was wondering about this trail and apparently it has not been completely shutdown, just moved, or the drop-in location changed. I am a noob and have only ridden it once with someone else. Just wanted to say it is still there, just not the same as it was.
 

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I rode the "old" complete trail a few years ago. Arrest me.
Even after just short time of being closed the trail was almost non-existent in some areas. Mother Nature is freaky like that.
 

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Holy reverse disappointment Batman! I thought there was a new closure and we were losing more! There certainly was more out there many moons ago, but happy we still have what I thought we had just lost just to figure out that what was lost was already lost and we still have what wasn't lost....huh, what? :???:
 

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Holy reverse disappointment Batman! I thought there was a new closure and we were losing more! There certainly was more out there many moons ago, but happy we still have what I thought we had just lost just to figure out that what was lost was already lost and we still have what wasn't lost....huh, what? :???:
the closure took out about a mile of sweet flowy tightness, but since then a bunch of variations sprang up on the 'mountain' that are fun and challenging. I don't mind the trail closure as much as the Bush-Administration BS and subsequent line of more BS I got when i called Congressman Flake's office to talk about it (many yrs back). It was closed for national security reasons, if you can say that without gagging. I spent 2-3 times a week for 10 years out around the TRW plant and never saw anything scarier than dog poop.
 

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holy thread-bumping dude...
If this is what you mean by "thread-bumping" http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/wp_threadbumping you couldn't be more off base "dude". I was just trying to help anybody out, who like me, googled the TRW trail and came up with this thread.

No sense in having bad or out-of-date info. Just trying to help fellow mtb-ers out :)
Especially the noobs like myself who have little experience. after all if we can't get good info on MTBR, what good is it.

(PS. just rode it again today and i finally made it to power. turned around and the ride back was a blast! :thumbsup: I'm excited to work my way up to completing the entire hawes loop without my legs feeling like they are on fire!)
 

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you'll get used to my posts...

i can stand on my back fence and urinate on TRW property but please dont tell the feds... it's the first trail i jump on when i start my rides, i've been here less than 3 months, so I had no idea it used to be larger..
 

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you'll get used to my posts...

i can stand on my back fence and urinate on TRW property but please dont tell the feds... it's the first trail i jump on when i start my rides, i've been here less than 3 months, so I had no idea it used to be larger..
Technically the TRW facility is on the western side of Red Mountain Ranch. Google Earth also shows a Talley Defense Systems road over there as well. A quick google search shows that TRW actually specializes in automotive safety systems. A search on Talley shows this company was acquired by Nammo awhile back and lists the following description on their website. My guess is they closed down portion of the TRW trail as a result of Talley instead of TRW ironically. The property behind you Mike doesnt have anything to do with TRW and seems to be more of a small scale mining operation. Either way urinating on the trail helps to keep the dust down so thank you.

Nammo Talley represent a complete industrial complex designed for the development, testing and manufacturing of a wide range of propellant-based products.

Nammo Talley, formerly Talley Defense Systems, a ISO 9001:2008 certified division of Nammo, is a pioneer in developing aircrew escape systems, automobile airbag components, sub-munition dispensing systems, shoulder-launched weapons, and other key propellant loaded devices.
 

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Dont know. Land mines? Google Earth shows the original trail orientation and the trail literally runs along the back fence of the TRW property. If you go back to 1992 no trail at all.
 

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I want a shoulder-launched weapon so I can blast ATVs, hikers and cows of the trail. Maybe with the increased business, they'll open some of the trail back up. :thumbsup:
 

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Dont forget horses :thumbsup: :nono:
 
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