Mountain Bike Reviews Forum banner
1 - 20 of 30 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,381 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Yello folks. Man it's been awhile.
Ok here's the dealio. I haven't ridden my bike off road in a couple years and the other weekend me and my family went on a hike of one of my favorite trails. And although the trails was almost the same as when I last saw it, there were some changes that I would like to change back.

A couple of log drops had been removed. SO, what I was thinking of doing is building them back onto the trail. I feel I have every right to do this, what do you think?

Cheers, Matt
 

·
Klein sits on shelf now..
Joined
·
173 Posts
fatmat71 said:
Yello folks. Man it's been awhile.
Ok here's the dealio. I haven't ridden my bike off road in a couple years and the other weekend me and my family went on a hike of one of my favorite trails. And although the trails was almost the same as when I last saw it, there were some changes that I would like to change back.

A couple of log drops had been removed. SO, what I was thinking of doing is building them back onto the trail. I feel I have every right to do this, what do you think?

Cheers, Matt
You should probably find out how and why they were removed in the first place, and if there is a group doing trail maintenance in the area, hook up with them and see what they think.

I know this is a lot more troublesome and time-consuming than just doing it yourself but in the end it's probably better for the trail.

There are a lot of trail building techniques, ideas and concepts that are pretty straight-forward after someone has described them to you but it's not all that easy to come up with them yourself. IMBA came through my town a couple of months ago and for almost every example of non-sustainable trail design that they showed in their presentation could be found at our local trails.

That's not to say that these trails suck, or they need to be completely rerouted. They just needed some better planning and a little more time to construct them.

Technical features are awesome if they are built correctly, take all of the trail users into consideration and if they are sustainable.

Sorry for the long post but I am a little bummed because several of us built a bridge across a really swampy area over the course of two weekends and some guys decided to adjust the bridge and it's just not as safe anymore.

It doesn't take too much thought to get it right, but a copy of the IMBA trail-building book definitely helps.

Hey, if you can make it work well for everybody, run with it.

Just my 2 cents.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
54 Posts
While I appreciate log crossings as much as the next guy I also appreciate reroutes around them so that I at least HAVE THE CHOICE of whether to ride them or not. Sometimes I just want to fly through the woods at speed and get into the flow of the trail. Logs can interrrupt that flow.

Here is what I suggest. Build some log crossings NEXT TO THE TRAIL where you can, say, take a fork in the trail, ride the log crossing, and then come back to the original trail and ride on. I think those are the best log crossings because it gives the rider a chioice as to whether to take the fork to ride the obstacle or not.

NY
 

·
There's no app for this.
Joined
·
5,369 Posts
Adroit is right

the folks that removed them have the same rights as you to put them back. Do your research before you accidentally start a p!ssing match over "your" logs. Because whoever took them out feels just as strongly that they are "their" logs.

check IMBA, it's all been done many times before successfully, but to put them back without any forethought invites an unhappy solution.

Just my .02,

Jim
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,381 Posts
Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Some good points there, I'll look into who built the trails. I like the go around idea, but would rather not widen the trail (pisses some folks off) and to tell you the truth they're so tight don't think i could.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,876 Posts
fatmat71 said:
Yello folks. Man it's been awhile.
Ok here's the dealio. I haven't ridden my bike off road in a couple years and the other weekend me and my family went on a hike of one of my favorite trails. And although the trails was almost the same as when I last saw it, there were some changes that I would like to change back.

A couple of log drops had been removed. SO, what I was thinking of doing is building them back onto the trail. I feel I have every right to do this, what do you think?

Cheers, Matt
Hey Matt check out IMBA's new book. You can get a copy at www.imba.com. This book has the goods on trailbuilding from dealing with the land owner/manager to building the log drops.
 

·
Old man on a bike
Joined
·
12,395 Posts
Unless you're the landowner I don't see why you have a right to do anything to the trail. Contact the landowner and see what their perspective is, hopefully they're involved with a local group for maintenance that you can hook up with. My vote is for obstacles on trails as long as there's a choice for others who don't or can't do them.
 

·
desert dweller
Ventana El Ciclon
Joined
·
1,644 Posts
Bikinfoolferlife said:
Unless you're the landowner I don't see why you have a right to do anything to the trail. Contact the landowner and see what their perspective is, hopefully they're involved with a local group for maintenance that you can hook up with. My vote is for obstacles on trails as long as there's a choice for others who don't or can't do them.
Exactly, I feel the same way. Get involved with a local club that does trail work. You may find that you can add technical details to the trails as alternates to the main line. And you may get help and support from the people out there doing the work.
We're starting to try that in our trail work sessions here as well. We'll clean up the main line and then route over some knarly rocks on the edge.

mc
 

·
501
Joined
·
1,476 Posts
My opinion is that you shoudnt Add logs to a trail unless you are maybe ramping it up, adding smaller logs in front and back of a large tree that is too big for most people to hop over. There are already enough trees that will fall naturally across a trail.

I would say the reason you maybe didnt see them anymore is because they have already been ridden/rotted away.Two years seems to be around the amount of time it takes to wear a path straight through a log if it is ridden often.

I do feel that you can remove a tree from a trail if it is done right away. If two or three weeks pass and riders have already made any groove across the top, then the tree should stay in my opinion.

I am not saying any of this is law, please dont take any of it too seriously.Its just my opinion. It took a long time for me to formulate an opinion on this issue and i can see my mind changing on it.
 

·
Young, Shawn Young
Joined
·
3,165 Posts
What ever happened to leave to obstacle the way it is and ride it if you have the skills or walk it until you do have the skills to ride it? I hate seeing things removed that occur naturally in the trail just to make it easier.

Shawn
 

·
501
Joined
·
1,476 Posts
Redmon said:
What ever happened to leave to obstacle the way it is and ride it if you have the skills or walk it until you do have the skills to ride it? I hate seeing things removed that occur naturally in the trail just to make it easier.

Shawn
I agree...
 

·
mtbr member since 1996
Joined
·
1,175 Posts
SHIVER ME TIMBERS said:
never ask for permission..beg for forgiveness....build em back up
Speaking for those who have seen trails closed because of unsanctioned building...I sure hope you joking and are not so naive to think that is a good policy.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,381 Posts
Discussion Starter · #17 ·
jasonwa2 said:
My opinion is that you shoudnt Add logs to a trail unless you are maybe ramping it up, adding smaller logs in front and back of a large tree that is too big for most people to hop over. There are already enough trees that will fall naturally across a trail.

I would say the reason you maybe didnt see them anymore is because they have already been ridden/rotted away.Two years seems to be around the amount of time it takes to wear a path straight through a log if it is ridden often.

I do feel that you can remove a tree from a trail if it is done right away. If two or three weeks pass and riders have already made any groove across the top, then the tree should stay in my opinion.

I am not saying any of this is law, please dont take any of it too seriously.Its just my opinion. It took a long time for me to formulate an opinion on this issue and i can see my mind changing on it.
Yeah these aren't logs in the middle of the trail, these were logs on the steeps that were essential drops you could jump off or drop in.

And yep that there is the superfly himself .
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
7,131 Posts
IBBake said:
Easy answer...leave the trail as it is. Find the local club doing the work and get involved.
Sorry, that doesn't work. I've tried it and talk about running into a wall. If the club/land user/forestry guy has already decided that they are going to make a "wheelchair accessible" trail, that's exactly what they are going to do and it's usually written in stone.

Ok, it "might" work in some places, but one problem we have here is that our "mountain bike club" is all roadies that ride a little cross country, and they want it all to be very tame and easy, so that's the focus of the club and the focus of any new trails that get built. When they have superior numbers on their side, there isn't much you can really do.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
629 Posts
fatmat71 said:
Yeah these aren't logs in the middle of the trail, these were logs on the steeps that were essential drops you could jump off or drop in.

And yep that there is the superfly himself .
NICE! Ya gotta love Snuka when he was a bad guy, wore black and sported the fro!
 

·
Klein sits on shelf now..
Joined
·
173 Posts
Redmon said:
What ever happened to leave to obstacle the way it is and ride it if you have the skills or walk it until you do have the skills to ride it? I hate seeing things removed that occur naturally in the trail just to make it easier.

Shawn
For the most part I agree with you Redmon. I think logs should be removed if they interrupt the flow of the trail though. There is a section that I can think of locally that is really smooth, and really fast and a new log came down just past a slight corner. If you aren't looking for it, you could slam into it at 20 mph without time to bunny hop it and eat it.

BUT...if it's not going to hurt anybody, I say leave the big ones there. Something has got to chew up my new big ring.
 
1 - 20 of 30 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top