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Tracer with Vanilla 125, best linkage setting?

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My homie Bill has a Tracer, equipped with a Fox Vanilla 125.

Our initial speculation is that the best linkage setting is that of long wheelbase and slack head angle.

However, I wonder if the steep linkage setting combined with the longish fork makes for more neutral handling. I would ride the bike myself to make the determination, but it's too big for me. Bill's fast, but he's not at a point yet where he can sense small differences.

So, has anyone tested the specific combinations? What's your opinion?

Thanks,

Tommy
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Count Zero said:
My homie Bill has a Tracer, equipped with a Fox Vanilla 125.

Our initial speculation is that the best linkage setting is that of long wheelbase and slack head angle.

However, I wonder if the steep linkage setting combined with the longish fork makes for more neutral handling. I would ride the bike myself to make the determination, but it's too big for me. Bill's fast, but he's not at a point yet where he can sense small differences.

So, has anyone tested the specific combinations? What's your opinion?

Thanks,

Tommy
I currently run a Minute fork set @130mm on my Tracer. I have tried all the settings on my Tracer. I personally like the long wheelbase, slack head angle setting the best.
I only drop my fork down to the 100mm travel setting for the steepest of climbs. Near vertical.
I measured the head angle with both settings, something like 68 and 72 in the steep. But with the steep setting the bottom bracket height goes past 14.5 inches way to high for me.

But I like the short wheelbase setting, it climbs better. But unless you run sram rear is gets messy back there.
Count Zero said:
My homie Bill has a Tracer, equipped with a Fox Vanilla 125.

Our initial speculation is that the best linkage setting is that of long wheelbase and slack head angle.

However, I wonder if the steep linkage setting combined with the longish fork makes for more neutral handling. I would ride the bike myself to make the determination, but it's too big for me. Bill's fast, but he's not at a point yet where he can sense small differences.

So, has anyone tested the specific combinations? What's your opinion?

Thanks,

Tommy
Tommy,

Like Yogreg I run the Tracer with a Minute 3 (not actually now as the fork is on its way back to Manitou with issues) in the 130mm setting. I like the ride with the long wheel base and steep head angle. The long wheelbase makes the ride more stable when going down and the steep head angle keeps things alittle more responsive on the climbs. Basically a trade off. With that being said I realized that I have not tried the short wheelbase and slack headangle together and will give it a try once my fork comes back from Manitou.
noosa2 said:
Tommy,

Like Yogreg I run the Tracer with a Minute 3 (not actually now as the fork is on its way back to Manitou with issues) in the 130mm setting. I like the ride with the long wheel base and steep head angle. The long wheelbase makes the ride more stable when going down and the steep head angle keeps things alittle more responsive on the climbs. Basically a trade off. With that being said I realized that I have not tried the short wheelbase and slack headangle together and will give it a try once my fork comes back from Manitou.
What were/are the issues with your Minute fork?
on a side note....
The short wheelbase setting really increases climbing, but like already stated, it does mess with your rear der. setting. I run a short cage xt and still it bangs around more than regular.

Greg
I had the same rear der. issue

yogreg said:
What were/are the issues with your Minute fork?
on a side note....
The short wheelbase setting really increases climbing, but like already stated, it does mess with your rear der. setting. I run a short cage xt and still it bangs around more than regular.

Greg
I put my old XT 8 speed der.(black color) and that stopped most of the banging. The newer ones are so big compared to the old ones.
yogreg said:
What were/are the issues with your Minute fork?
on a side note....
The short wheelbase setting really increases climbing, but like already stated, it does mess with your rear der. setting. I run a short cage xt and still it bangs around more than regular.

Greg
Hey Greg,

I had about 15hrs ride time on the Minute 3. It was plush over mid and hard hits but I was still waiting for it to "break in" and become plush over the small stuff. Anyway on the last ride I had it started to squeak but I could not find any problems. Two days later I found a puddle of oil under the rebound knob. The 8mm allen bolt under the rebound knob was loose so I tightened it but when I put the rebound know back on it no longer functioned. When I took the fork off my Tracer I could hear metal bits rattling inside. Manitou said to send it back and they would fix it.

They should get the fork today and say they have a 7 working day turn around. I will keep you posted.

Tim
From my experiences

I ran a fox vanilla 125 on my tracer before switching to a talas. I got the best results by fabricating my own travel spacers. I made spacers so i could set the fork at 110mm or 115mm of travel. I ran the rear linkage in the 4"/slack position.The steering slowed a bit but the fork didnt flop or tuck under so the handling remained neutral. It worked out well. IMO...give it a try.
noosa2 said:
Hey Greg,

I had about 15hrs ride time on the Minute 3. It was plush over mid and hard hits but I was still waiting for it to "break in" and become plush over the small stuff. Anyway on the last ride I had it started to squeak but I could not find any problems. Two days later I found a puddle of oil under the rebound knob. The 8mm allen bolt under the rebound knob was loose so I tightened it but when I put the rebound know back on it no longer functioned. When I took the fork off my Tracer I could hear metal bits rattling inside. Manitou said to send it back and they would fix it.

They should get the fork today and say they have a 7 working day turn around. I will keep you posted.

Tim
wow 15 hours of rides on the thing. I remember your posts regarding oil on your stantions, I wonder if the two were related. In any event deffinately post your post service impressions regarding Manitou and your fork .I am interested in how it turns out. I have been lucky with my fork it runs flawlessly. Even better now, after the first oil change.

Good luck, and hope you get a speedy turn-a-round.
Greg
I run 5" Vanilla in front, and steep angle, long wheelbase in back. I like it - and I really like the high bottom bracket.
yogreg said:
wow 15 hours of rides on the thing. I remember your posts regarding oil on your stantions, I wonder if the two were related. In any event deffinately post your post service impressions regarding Manitou and your fork .I am interested in how it turns out. I have been lucky with my fork it runs flawlessly. Even better now, after the first oil change.

Good luck, and hope you get a speedy turn-a-round.
Greg
Greg,

Manitou turned the fork around in about 7 days (I then went on vacation and have not ridden it yet). They replaced the SPV Rebound Dampening Assembly. I will give it a ride this week and let you know how it performs. What I can say is that Manitou were very professional on the phone and very quick to respond to both e-mail and voice mail. I also think the 7 day turn around is reasonable.
noosa2 said:
Greg,

Manitou turned the fork around in about 7 days (I then went on vacation and have not ridden it yet). They replaced the SPV Rebound Dampening Assembly. I will give it a ride this week and let you know how it performs. What I can say is that Manitou were very professional on the phone and very quick to respond to both e-mail and voice mail. I also think the 7 day turn around is reasonable.
I agree.
Best of luck, and let us know how it works.

On a side note I just did an oil change on my three after 3 months of ride time. Wow what a difference. An already great feeling fork got even better. Oil level is crucial.

Greg
I have a tracer with a talas fork..

With the fork at 125, I like it better in the long wb/ steep setting. The bb is high, but you get used to it. You can ride through some pretty rough stuff and not worry about wacking your pedals. It's nice. The tracer has good standover (probably helps that I'm tall), so there's plenty of clearance. But I've had the bike set in long wb/slack setting for most of the summer. I like the fork around 100 mm in this setting.
Tracer

Quattro said:
I put my old XT 8 speed der.(black color) and that stopped most of the banging. The newer ones are so big compared to the old ones.
Ya I got a few of them old black smaller jockeys LX rear der. on ebay for my Tracer and run the short wheelbase with some tire sidewall pieces glued to stop the der. clanking noise. edit; 125Van.R/Slack
yogreg said:
I agree.
Best of luck, and let us know how it works.

On a side note I just did an oil change on my three after 3 months of ride time. Wow what a difference. An already great feeling fork got even better. Oil level is crucial.

Greg
Installed the repaired Minute this W/E and took it for a test ride. It performed great, still somewhat harsher over the small stuff than I am use to but smooth over the mid to big hits and it did not bottom out even with the volume adjuster backed all the way out.
As a side note I had no oil on the slider that that Manitou worked on (they replaced the SPV/rebound assembly) but still traces of oil on the other leg.
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