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Ride More, Work Less... :thumbsup:

Seasons greetings from Oz.

Have a good one, mates.

To all the guys and girls at Ibis, a BIG thank you.

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sorry, I am prototyping and seeking

Chuck's appproval

but lemme say, you ano junkies are gonna be way happy if the material I am pursuing will work.
 

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haaki said:
Chuck's appproval

but lemme say, you ano junkies are gonna be way happy if the material I am pursuing will work.
hey hakki, let me guess...as in Hakkalugi...
 

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I would like disc tabs on a carbon Haakkalugi frame please, Santa, anodized or otherwise.
 

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as a cross devotee/luddite

I gotta cry 'heresy!' to this talk of disc brakes on a cross bike

I'm a Clydesdale and I've never encountered a situation in cross where I needed more than a well set up canti

plus you'd lose the hand job and everybody loves a good handjob

and yes my daughter called it a Hakki-Lugi and yes I have 3

all steel of course
 

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haaki said:
I gotta cry 'heresy!' to this talk of disc brakes on a cross bike

I'm a Clydesdale and I've never encountered a situation in cross where I needed more than a well set up canti
Do you still ride square tapered bottom brackets too?

Just because something works doesn't mean that something else doesn't work better. There's a good reason that disc brakes dominate the mountain bike scene - they work better in all conditions. The only reason that discs don't dominate cyclocross bikes today is because the UCI is backwards thinking and banned them when forward-thinking, safety conscious bicycle manufacturers started putting discs on cyclocross bikes.

Yes, everyone wants a nice Handjob. I want one too. I just want mine sitting there holding air, while a hydraulic hose runs back to a rear disc tab.

Safety first. All-condition powerful brakes = discs.

Merry Christmas!
 

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in fact

mtb143 said:
Do you still ride square tapered bottom brackets too?

Just because something works doesn't mean that something else doesn't work better. There's a good reason that disc brakes dominate the mountain bike scene - they work better in all conditions. The only reason that discs don't dominate cyclocross bikes today is because the UCI is backwards thinking and banned them when forward-thinking, safety conscious bicycle manufacturers started putting discs on cyclocross bikes.

Yes, everyone wants a nice Handjob. I want one too. I just want mine sitting there holding air, while a hydraulic hose runs back to a rear disc tab.

Safety first. All-condition powerful brakes = discs.

Merry Christmas!
I do on most my bikes (square tapers)
my track, 1 road and 1 cxer have 'fancy' BBs and again I haven't really felt any difference
in performance.
I run 8 speed on 3 of 4 of my off road rigs and I have yet to see any superiority out of the 9 speed, in fact I have better cassette options with an 8 having 11-28, 11-30 and 12-32 all available while in 9 I have a 12-27 or 12-34 or if I look hard I may find a 12-32.

oh and I run discs on my MTB because on my MTB I typically put myself in situations where that type of braking is needed. The pucker power of a disc rapidly overpowers the contact patch of a typical cx tire meaning more skids / endos and less modulation. CX isn't about over cooking a corner and slamming on ones brakes, it is about flow and maintaining momentum. Having that awesome disc power will make you stop quicker but it won't improve your skills as a cx racer. Call me old fashioned, retro grouch / luddite but I'll take handling skills and course/corner assesment over stopping power any day.

in regards to the UCI, I think their concern in mass start 100 plus racer fields that typically funnel into a corner or most likely a barricade and raising 200 spinning metal discs at calve height with legs flailing everywhere is more of a safety concern than people not being able to stop. Discs are banned for the same reason Spinergy 4 blade Wheels were, people did, or would get sliced. (portage does not exist in MTBing) Secondly UCI CX races have gone off safely since the 60's or 70's without discs so why add a possibly dangerous element. Or, maybe the UCI realizes discs allow people to be poorer bike handlers and thus their existence will increase said bad bike handlers which means more crashes. (see above)

so as much as I enjoy discs I see them as more of a hindrance in cx than a help.

but that is just my silly opinion based on 3 plus decades of turning pedals and having started my MTB racing career in 1980. your results may vary

you too, have a great christmas!
 

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either

dry app vinyl with semi gloss UV over lam or extruded and embossed PVC with same laminate. (2.8 mil)

the material comes with the brushed alu surface and I print on that. it is as durable or more durable than typical vinyl chainstay protectors
 

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haaki said:
I do on most my bikes (square tapers)
my track, 1 road and 1 cxer have 'fancy' BBs and again I haven't really felt any difference
in performance... Call me old fashioned, retro grouch / luddite but I'll take handling skills and course/corner assesment over stopping power any day.
Okay. Luddite. You do realize that you are posing a false dichotomy? Bike handling skills and brake functionality are not mutually exclusive.

haaki said:
UCI CX races have gone off safely since the 60's or 70's without discs so why add a possibly dangerous element.
That's just silly. Better brakes improve safety, not reduce it.

haaki said:
Or, maybe the UCI realizes discs allow people to be poorer bike handlers and thus their existence will increase said bad bike handlers which means more crashes...but that is just my silly opinion based on 3 plus decades of turning pedals and having started my MTB racing career in 1980.
Agreed. About the silly opinion part. No disrespect to you personally, I'm sure you're a swell fellow, but I think you have your head in the sand on this issue.

Races went on for years with cyclists wearing leather beanies too. Tradition is a poor excuse to just keep doing something.

You may have missed it, but you actually lost this argument with your statement above - "discs allow people to be poorer bike handlers". This is where you unwittingly acknowledge that discs are superior brakes. Better brakes = improved safety. I had a friend who took all the motorshop classes in high school. One time he told me that the most important part of your car - the one part that you want to always make sure is in good working order - is the brakes. Any other part can fail, and all you have to do is coast to the shoulder, stop, and make a phone call. If your brakes don't work right, God help you if you're going down a hill or a mountain, because you're fu*#ed.

Here's what really surprises me most about all this - What on earth are you doing with at least one carbon fiber bicycle? Steel has worked great for decades and decades, why on earth should we veer from something so tried and true? I hope Santa leaves you a nice quill stem in your stocking, and some shiny friction shifters ;)

I'm holding out for disc tabs on a sweet carbon frame.
 
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