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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
puncture height is flattening height:
the higher the number, the better.
they test it with a hetchet which falls down from test to test which higher and higher height., for example test 1 40cm, test 2 45cm, test 50 et cetera. the shown value is the first height the tire flattens.
they test also for thorn proofness with a metal thorn. i will edit that soon too. thorn test isnt available for all tires.
class a is highest resistance, class f lowest.
the fields of use:
cc is cross country race
am is all mountain
en is enduro

RR measurement:
(bad english incoming!)
Rolling resistance: All tires are set up with 2,5 bar. Then they are set up on the testing role without load. Then they are accelerated on 20 kilometers per hour. Now the resistance is set to zero to eliminate air resistance and bearing friction. Then the wheel gets loaded with 50kg. After a short time the tire runs again with 20km/h. The difference from unloaded and loaded run results gets the rolling resistance in watt.
movements in the carcass play a larger role than the tread.


mibro 2.25
rolling resistance: 22,3 watt
flattening height: 50cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)

2.35 nevegal
RR: more than 50watt
flattening height: 43,3cm
cornering stability/ability: 6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)

nobby nic 2.4 triple
RR: 28,0 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: a
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
(update bike 4/08)
100% am

furious fred 2.0
RR: 19,9watt
flattening height: 42,5cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:2/6 (more= the better)
traction: 2/6 (more= the better)

racing ralph 2.25 triple 2007
RR: 26,2 watt
flattening height: 65cm
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
85% cc 15% am

racing ralph 2.25 evo TUBELESS 2008
RR: 19,8 watt
flattening height: 80cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)

smart sam 2.1
RR: 28,9 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

fat albert
RR: 34,4 watt
flattening height: 78cm
thorn: no information
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)

little albert light (old test from 2004!)
RR: 32,1 watt
flattening height:-
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

big betty 2.4 triple
RR: 32,2 watt
flattening height: 110cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
(comment in the bike-test: big betty should have been rated 7/6 in traction and cornering stability)
15% am 85% ed

hutchinson python ng mrc medium 2.25
RR: 36,4watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
15% cc 85% am

hutchinson barracuda tubeless light
RR: 35,4watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
100% am

hutchinson toro 2.15
RR: 37,6watt
flattening height: 60cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
30% cc 70% am

hutchinson piranha mrc medium 2,3
RR: 40,8 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 2/6 (more= the better)
50% cc 50% am

larsen tt 2,3 exception
RR: 36,6 watt
flattening height: 85cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
50% cc 50% am

mountain king 2.4 protection
RR: 32,5 watt
puncture height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:6/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
50% am 50% en

speed king 2.1 supersonic
RR: 29,6 watt
puncture height: 40cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
90% cc 10% am

speed king 2.3 supersonic
RR: 27,9 watt
puncture height:50cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
10% cc 90% am

race king 2.2
RR: 23,9 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: f
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
85% cc 15% am

diesel protection
RR: 43,5 watt
flattening height: 75cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
100% ed

explorer 2.1 supersonic
RR: 28,5 watt
flattening height: 40cm
thorn:c
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

specialized the captain 2
RR: 39,2 watt
flattening height: 85cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
50% cc 50% am

specialized resolution 2.1
RR: 38,5 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
25% cc 75% am

nokian nbx 2.3
RR: 26,8 watt
flattening height: 35cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)

maxxis crossmark 2.1 exception
RR: 27,4 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:3/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

maxxis high roller 2.35 tubeless
RR: over 45 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: a
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
100% ed

maxxis ignitor exception 2.1
RR: 34,3 watt
flattening height: 36,7cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)

maxxis ignitor exception 2.35
RR: 32,3 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

wtb mutano raptor (tested as all-mountain. maybe because of that only 2/6 cornering points)
RR: 30,7 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:2/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)

kenda karma 2.2
RR: 41,3 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: e
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
80% am 20% ed

kenda small block eight 2,1
RR: 34,2 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

IRC trailbear 2.25 (2004 tested, got the "bang for the buck" award! (costs about 10€ here in germany)
RR: 32,5 watt
flattening height: 41,67cm
thorn: -
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)

vredestein tiger claw 2,1
RR: 26,2 watt
flattening height: 67,5cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
45% cc 55% am

more will be edited later! tell me what you want to know!
 

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cornering/ traction points are given compared to tires of the same class.
here are the new tests:

CC-Race:

maxxis monorail exception 2.1
RR: 26,3 watt
flattening height: 55cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 3/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

ritchey zmax intuition 2.0 wcs
RR: 38,2 watt
flattening height: 45cm
thorn:d
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
100% cc

schwalbe rocket ron 2,25 (stats: 436g weight, available in 2.1" and 2.4" and 2.1"/2.25" tubeless)
RR: 24,7 watt
flattening height: 52,5cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction:5/6 (more= the better)
85% cc, 15% am

wtb wolverine 2.2
RR: 25,9 watt
flattening height: 65cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
95% cc, 5% am

all mountain tires

continental rubber queen 2.2"
RR: 29,8 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
85% am, 15% ed

ritchey zmax premonition 2.25 wcs
RR: 35,2 watt
flattening height: 67,5cm
thorn: f
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
100% am

specialized purgatory 2.2 s-works 2bliss
RR: 37,2 watt
flattening height: 70cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:4/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
85% am, 15% ed

enduro tires

continental rubber queen 2.4"
RR: 42,7 watt
flattening height: 75cm
thorn: d
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 6/6 (more= the better)
100% ed

maxxis ardent 2.4" 60a folding
RR: 36,3 watt
flattening height: 80cm
thorn: c
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 4/6 (more= the better)
15% am, 85% ed

schwalbe fat albert 2.4" front and rear
RR: 29,9 watt
flattening height: 83,75cm
thorn: b
cornering stability/ability:5/6 (more= the better)
traction: 5/6 (more= the better)
45% am, 55% ed
 

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Thats tha most USEFUL stats I have seen on tyres...thank you!
It explains why I like the NN so much.

Do you have any stats on Racing Ralphs 2.1, Smart Sam, Larsen TT2.0 and Python 2.0??
 

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Salty 1 said:
Thats tha most USEFUL stats I have seen on tyres...thank you!
It explains why I like the NN so much.

Do you have any stats on Racing Ralphs 2.1, Smart Sam, Larsen TT2.0 and Python 2.0??
there arent all sizes and all tires tested. i edited some requested in the first thread!
 

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Mountain King?

Big sizes, if you have.
 

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Mountain King?

Big sizes, if you have.
added!

found newer test results for nobby nic 2.4 triple 2008. edited.
racing ralph 2008 evo tubeless added
 

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Very nice.
I am interested in the methodology of obtaining the RR measurement. Any why does the Nevegal just say "over 50"? Given that those are a very popular tire, the exact data point would be very beneficial!

I cannot wait to see the Big Betty UST/ Fat Albert/ some of the Specialized lineup included.
Thanks again!
 

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CharacterZero said:
Any why does the Nevegal just say "over 50"?
the measure-equipment can only measure until 50watt rolling resistance. the negeval is the tire tested with the highest rolling resistance.

fat albert, little albert, big betty, some specialized, race king added.
there is no test result for furios fred sry

methodology for RR measurement added!
 

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henryhb said:
the measure-equipment can only measure until 50watt rolling resistance. the negeval is the tire tested with the highest rolling resistance.

fat albert, little albert, big betty, some specialized, race king added.
there is no test result for furios fred sry

methodology for RR measurement added!
Awesome! Those BB and Fat Albert results just show that I should wait for them to come out....
Do you have results for the Specialized Eskar 2.3, or Chunder 2.2/2.4?
What about the Maxxis Ignitor?

Man - these stats are great!
 

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MacGiv'er said:
Excellent thread henryhb ... have you got anything for Panaracer Fire XC Pro (2.1) and the Nokian NBX 2.3?
nbx 2,3 added
no panaracer tested.
unlikely the fire xc pro is hard to get here in germany. i read a lot of good stuff about it!
 

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Are the Maxxis Crossmark or Ignitor listed? What is the name or publisher of the bike magazine?
 

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I'm a little surprised by the "traction" rating for the "Albert" line... I've found them to be a marked downgrade from my Nevegals... They corner like mad, and handle wet roots and rocks like nothing I've used before but in straight braking or straight climbing, I'm finding they slip out much quicker than my old Nevs... And I've got the pressure as low as I dare go on tubeless... I'm running the Albert UST, weigh 210lbs, and run my front tire at 28psi and the rear a 31 psi...
 

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henryhb said:
nbx 2,3 added
no panaracer tested.
unlikely the fire xc pro is hard to get here in germany. i read a lot of good stuff about it!
Thank you. The flattening height of 35cm for the Nokian NBX 2.3 seems surprisingly low ... this is not a typo, is it?
 
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