[jever98]

Hi folks,

as an Ibis rider myself, I was quite interested when I saw the ad for this bike today.

MSC bikes seems to Spanish (hadn't heard of them before), and they seem to have put together a VPP-type full carbon Enduro with 145mm travel at the rear. The announced frame weights seem extremely light (starting at 1.85kg, excluding shock), possibly even lighter than for the Mojo SL?

It's great to see that there seem to be more manufacturers pushing into this market, it can only do good in promoting further developments.

One thing I like on the MSC, which might be a nice inspiration for Ibis, is the internal shifter routing - way to go!

Cheers,
Jever

 

[SGR1913]

MSC are quite popular over here in France too. I'll have to try and find the review of it from a magazine i read earlier in the year

 

[zzsean]

Good to see more "good" carbon frames out there - if only to help edumacate the masses that carbon frames are strong and reliable.

However the MSC carbon seems to be a different niche than the Mojo as the frames don't have the amount of travel (front or rear) as a mojo do they? The geometry also seems a little different as well as the fact that DW Link is just that good!.

 

[elmaco]

I'm not gonna go into the technical stuff, because I can't... But one thing is clear in my mind:
the Mojo is sexy
the MSC is just another bike

 

[james beaumont]

Is this the one? At £4000 it had better be good! It looks a tad more race orientated that the mojo, I cant really imagine a 160mm fork on it...

 

[james beaumont]

oops sorry... I didnt see your link!

 

[Vespasianus]

Is this the one? At £4000 it had better be good! It looks a tad more race orientated that the mojo, I cant really imagine a 160mm fork on it...

Is it me or does that downtube look really thin...

 

[Gregg K]

Fixed pivot.

Not even competition with the Mojo.

 

[derby]

Gary Fisher may be getting some competition with that bike. Early Y2K design. Not even close to a Mojo in design.

 

[rkj__]

Is it me or does that downtube look really thin...

It's white.

 

[Vespasianus]

Yeh, looks more like competition for a Titus Motolite.

 

[ddraewwg]

It's carbon and it has 2 wheels....other than that, I don't see the similarities. Being sarcastic naturally. The bike's target audience is the XC crowd.

 

[perhas]

This is not a VPP design. It is a version of the good old Horst-Link, with a linkage for the shock. I would not expect this bike to climb or brake as well as a DW-link bike design.

 

[jever98]

Not saying it is a DW link bike . But it doesn't seem to be a fixed pivot (as perhas points out). Travel is similar to the Mojo. What I like about it is the internal cable routing - elegant.

Apparently the frame is quite cheap at ~1500 Euro - not bad, price wise.

Also one thing they did well: you can mount a bottle cage inside the frame...

Not gonna sell my Mojo, though ;-).

 

[SCUBAPRO]

It is a version of the good old Horst-Link, with a linkage for the shock. I would not expect this bike to climb or brake as well as a DW-link bike design.

I agree, it won't climb as good but it'll brake better

 

[Steve from JH]

It's a faux-bar without the seat stay pivot.

The carbon rear end must flex as a substitute for the missing pivot.

The flexing will be concentrated at the axle point, like on the Felt Virtue bikes.

It differs from a simple low single pivot design in that the shock ratio is controlled by the linkage and the braking pivot point is the IC for the seat stay, like on a split-pivot design.

 

[fishboy2807]

It's lines are not as purdy as the Mojo. Roxy is still in the lead in the pretty bike design department. (though internal cable routing would be nice...

 

[Vespasianus]

It's a faux-bar without the seat stay pivot.

The carbon rear end must flex as a substitute for the missing pivot.

The flexing will be concentrated at the axle point, like on the Felt Virtue bikes.

It differs from a simple low single pivot design in that the shock ratio is controlled by the linkage and the braking pivot point is the IC for the seat stay, like on a split-pivot design.

Look again, it has a Horst-link.

 

[fishboy2807]

now that takes me back... I had a horst link Mongoose Amplifier with the AMP parallelogram fork about a bazillion years ago. noisy wheezy thing it was.

 

[Steve from JH]

Look again, it has a Horst-link.

I don't see the rear pivot here: