Trail sanitizers need F.O.A.D.!!:madmax:
I understand the Nightrander is somewhat suicidal, so please go easy if you are not happy with the current status.The initial "work" that had been done in the last couple of months was more than enough, as we all discussed in the other thread. I just got a report from a riding buddy that RR has been totally buffed to "new schultz" like status. I have not been on RR for a couple of weeks at most.
Am I understanding this correctly that more work has been done since the last thread and my riding buddy was correct?
Does anybody know if this was official trail work or otherwise?
This sucks big time if true. I am going to ride it tomorrow to check it out for myself.
None of it is official or legit. The Nightranger works for no-one. Also spotted on Little Bear.The initial "work" that had been done in the last couple of months was more than enough, as we all discussed in the other thread. I just got a report from a riding buddy that RR has been totally buffed to "new schultz" like status. I have not been on RR for a couple of weeks at most.
Am I understanding this correctly that more work has been done since the last thread and my riding buddy was correct?
Does anybody know if this was official trail work or otherwise?
This sucks big time if true. I am going to ride it tomorrow to check it out for myself.
It was a great article. The author did a great job on reporting about current trail building trends without a one sided biased opinion. I think it did sum up with tho that we need easier trails to get more people interested in mountain biking but we will always need the challenging trails as well. If the trails system on Elden was well thought out and created I don't think RR is the best location for a very difficult trail, it's more of a main artery/feeder trail into more isolated areas of the mountain. Either way people don't have the right to just go out and change trails without getting permission from land managers and I'm guessing that the NR is pissing a lot of folks off. Honestly I could care less, I don't look to the XC trail system for the technical challenges I enjoy, it's more for the flow and exercise. I won't miss the rocks on RR either, like I said it's not a destination line for me, just a connection and one I really don't care to waste my energy on getting all blown out, I need that energy for the trails that SHRED!Well then. F that guy indeed. I would not mind this guy being exiled for 6 months and fined ala TrailDoc.
I am usually not in favor of such sillyness, but he just ruined a great trail with a lot of local flavor and history.
There is a rather timely article in the latest Dirt Rag magazine about how maybe the trend of building IMBA sustainable trails has gone too far... leading to characterless buffed out flow trail after flow trail. It is a good read, given the slated work that may or may not be done on the Elden system, as well as Sedona.
I agree, not a cool way to do things. It's funny, the way the guy has been doing these changes it's like he wants to piss people off and he wants to be caught, maybe this person is after some kind of recognition or attention?I hear you... it was just fun to have something that close to my neighborhood that when linked with one or two other trails provided a ride with some challenge and character when I was needing a "short on time and daylight" after work ride.
I don't have a problem with change, or it being part of an over all plan with the AZ trail corridor. I do have a problem with one person taking it upon themselves to change the nature of well liked trail to their standards without permission or input.
That was a good article but I can see the benefit of flow country trails and they are fun and they do help introduce more folks to the sport and I don't think there's any big risk of them totally taking over (I would love it if someone came and built a couple of 'em off some peaks in my neck of the woods)...... but I agree that it can be taken to the extreme at the expense of regular technical or less flowy older trails that build other skills and that many of us cut our teeth on an still enjoy. I certainly wouldn't want all trails to be Flow Country.There is a rather timely article in the latest Dirt Rag magazine about how maybe the trend of building IMBA sustainable trails has gone too far... leading to characterless buffed out flow trail after flow trail. It is a good read, given the slated work that may or may not be done on the Elden system, as well as Sedona.
No, two completely different animals. Traildoc is not a sanitizer.Sounds like FailDocs alter ego.
Good points KRob. I too would hate to have every trail a flow trail but some of those would be nice. Personally I like more steep natural gnar, it's just my style or ideally a mix of both to me is the best trail possible. There was another article in that same issue of Bike playing the devils advocate about the need for old school natural trails too.That was a good article but I can see the benefit of flow country trails and they are fun and they do help introduce more folks to the sport and I don't think there's any big risk of them totally taking over (I would love it if someone came and built a couple of 'em off some peaks in my neck of the woods)...... but I agree that it can be taken to the extreme at the expense of regular technical or less flowy older trails that build other skills and that many of us cut our teeth on an still enjoy. I certainly wouldn't want all trails to be Flow Country.
It was funny that a week after I got my Dirt Rag with that article in it, my Bike mag showed up with an article proclaiming Half (Full) Nelson in Squamish (a flowy, machine built jump filled bobsled run) the greatest trail on earth.
I'm sure it's tons of fun....... but I'm glad that Angry Midget (old school, rocks, tech, switchbacks and steeps) still exists which parallels Half Nelson and is the trail I rode when I was up there. Good stuff.
As far as Rocky Ridge? That's just stupid. Will I miss the rocks after spending a day climbing up the Elden road and bombing Wasabi and other tech trails then riding RR back over to my car at Schultz Creek dead tired? No. But it still deserves to be what it is: Rocky Ridge.