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The ASR-C! - Now With Ride Report

Edit: (I now put a ride report as a later post...scroll down to find it....)

Here She is finally... I screwed up a bit in the other thread estimating the weight difference between the alloy and carbon. Somehow I underestimated the weight of that silly lizard skin and the BB...also I didn't account for the weight of the seat mast that would be cut off... The true difference is .4lbs, not .25. The custom paint alloy was 4.9, this guy is right at 4.5.

I want to make a point here (ok a rant). Everytime I see someone post their new weight weenie project Scalpel, Racer-X, etc they mount their bike up with some silly lite tire like a crow or maxxis 310, and then promptly take it off when the photo is done... I like a nice 500/570 gram tire combo that gives good grip, rolls like heck, and doesn't cut (Michelins) If you put my new girl on that unrealistic playing field it would weigh approximately 9292 or 20.48 lbs. Right there with all of 'em.

I built her up with my race day parts (and the tires I will actaully use!) and threw it on the scale. 9762grams, or 21.52 lbs is the result. To show my disdain for the practice and seeing that I don't race for 3 weeks, I promptly put my training parts back on (XT cassette, 355 wheels, bontrager tires, steel skewers, hope rotors). I took the pictures in "training mode" at 22.8lbs....

A quick note... It took me only 5 minutes to measure and cut the seat mast. It was cake with the cool little tool Yeti provides. My only issue was with the fitting of the clamp. It really doesn't slide on like a machined part. It more fits on, and then I tightened the bottom screw until it didn't wiggle anymore. The top screw seemed to do nothing other than scare the crap outta me. I'm toying with the idea of putting some electrical tape under the clamp to snug it up a bit more, and preserve the paint beneith in case I ever need to raise the post (resale?)

I'll put some big miles on it this weekend. Last night I did the obligatory spin on the dirt road. All I can say for now, is there is a noticable stiffness between it and the alloy. Maybe I'm just feeling no seatpost flex for the first time ever? Ride report to come on Monday...

Oh Yea..The matte black fork is dead sexy!

pics....
 

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knives out said:
That bike is totally tits!! Love that raw carbon logo on the seatmast.
Thanks,

I'm glad my seatmast stayed high enough to not hide the lettering. My buddy ended up covering partof his up he had to whack so much off!!
 

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That does look awesome - I can feel my fingers itching already! A lad I bought an ARC frame off a few years back has just finished his normal ASR and even with "normal" tyres it's come in at 20.6lb and it's a medium! Having Tune carbon cranks on helps and no expense has been spared on parts by the look of it. But I think the carbon frame looks loads better. Top bike - enjoy.
 

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Lite

Apedale said:
That does look awesome - I can feel my fingers itching already! A lad I bought an ARC frame off a few years back has just finished his normal ASR and even with "normal" tyres it's come in at 20.6lb and it's a medium! Having Tune carbon cranks on helps and no expense has been spared on parts by the look of it. But I think the carbon frame looks loads better. Top bike - enjoy.
Thanks!

You can definitely make a bike lighter with some great boutique parts out there. FRM parts come to mind as well...

I think it's good to point out that my tire choices save 150 grams over stock, but you can also cut out another 450 grams from mine with Crows or Maxxlites. Tires make a huge weight difference, and often people feel misled when they buy a stock bike with 800 gram UST tires and can't figure out why their $6000 bike weighs 25 lbs....
 

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The rig looks awesome! I did something similar to what you described on the seat mast. I wrapped the top part with clearshield. the extra grip gained didn't require me to tighten the bolts quite as much.
 

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Clearshield

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The rig looks awesome! I did something similar to what you described on the seat mast. I wrapped the top part with clearshield. the extra grip gained didn't require me to tighten the bolts quite as much.
Where'd you get the clearshield. That sounds like a better plan...
 

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Ride Report

I had a really rare opportunity. I was able to ride the ASR-C with the exact same components, on the exact same trails, exactly a week after riding the ASR-SLC. I have put a few thousand miles on ASR-SLC's over the past few years, and I have ridden those bikes on these trails enough to really have things dialed. I feel that I am in a good condition to feel the changes between the bikes....I also had a buddy with me on his new ASR-C that also raced a ASR-SLC last year. he verified my "official findings"

I rode the new bike approx 5 hours on 3 different trail networks that all really display the bikes skills....

Green Mountain. although most locals regard it as a boring lump of conglomerate in the front range, most of the early season MTB training miles ridden by we Denverites occur here since it melts out first. You have a variety of terrain with sweeping fast corners, 700', 15% climbs, rolling hills with short punchy out of the saddle climbs, and cobbles everywhere. I find nothing quite tests a suspension like cobbles...life sucking and backbreaking...

Dakota Ridge. This starts with a 500 foot climb up to the top of a razor back ridge. You then ride the summit of the ridge on some of the most techincal terrain in the Front Range. It's sharp, off-camber, slick, dust coated sandstone with ugly fall potential. I put a random photo of Dakota Ridge I grabbed from the internet down below.

Matthew Winters - Morrison Slide. Nice smooth climbing turns to gritty, red comglomerate sandstone (this is the northen extension of the famed red rocks ampitheater park). It's rough, technincal and steep to the top. A semi-techy descent takes you to some fast sweepers and S-turns. A steep 15-20% climb brings you back out.

The ride....

It takes only 10 minutes to completely forget you are on a new bike. It feels so similar in geometry, handling and suspension that instantly I felt 100% comfortable and home on the new rig.

1) Suspension - There is no change here, and it feels that way. It's the same stiff, but active when locked, and plush when unlocked suspension.

2) Seatpost - The seatpost is supposed to provide better power transfer to the pedals when seated. I have to be honest here. The only thing I felt was the loss of that nice bit of carbon seatpost suspension over sharp edged hits. Obviously this is no hardtail, but it's a bit harder on the bum now.

3) Stiffness - All the changes are here my friends.This is where the magic begins....

Cornering. The first time I got into fast sweepers, it was as if I was on my Niner. I have never pushed a bike so hard in the corners. I had the poor bike leaned over and sliding in all corners. I hit one particularly abrupt S-turn, and could completely feel the bike switch direction and shoot into the next corner with no lag (much like my old sportbike). Normally I would have felt a delay, that I used to attribute to the suspension, wheels, and tires...No Sir; it was the frame.

Descending. This is a replay of the cornering piece except you can also point and shoot this thing with more precision. You just know it's going to hold that line.

Climbing. When seated there is not difference to me. Standing is another story. I ride a SS quite a bit, so I am very accustomed to standing and hammering short climbs rather than downshifting. I run a fork with a remote lock-out just for that reason. This bike is like my HT when you swing it side to side. On the Alloy bike (my anthem, my scalpel...every FS bike I have ever owned) I could feel a huge energy loss when standing compared to a HT. I thought it was the suspension bobbing, due to having the shock damping low enough to still feel good. I guess it must have been a combo of the BottomBracket, alum dogbone, and front triangle, but that feeling is gone. On the second "test day" I actually went on a 1.5 hour SS ride in the morning before hopping back on the Yeti. I could stand and mash with just the same efficiency as the HT. I love to climb standing, so I'm like a kid in a candy-shop on this new bike.

Technical. The stiffness factor is huge here. I know it's not real bright taking your new carbon bike labeled (For Racing Only) on one of the most rocky-techy trails around...but I was getting a bit bored with Green Mountain. On Dakota Ridge, I have taken many XC bikes, a couple Niners, my SS's, also a few AM rigs like my old 575. I cleaned a couple climbing bits that I have never made before on the ASR-C. The stiffness adds a really neat thing. I can stand and power over rocks with the efficiency of my HT SS, but with the traction benefit only a FS can provide. The stiffness then keeps my front wheel right where I want it. I also felt a better balance on this bike than any other. I could stop between rocks, turn the wheel, and power on better than ever. I am not a trials type rider, so for me this was huge. I felt the same thing on steep switchbacks on Morrison Slide, where the front end just tracked around and kept me on line. Switchbacks felt easy compared to normal...

4) Weight
I'm a spoiled weight weenie here this bike was only .4lbs lighter than my old bike, so there is nothing of mention here for me. The ASR-C is a few lbs lighter than some of my friends bikes, so they are really feeling that.

Overall, this is the best bike I have ever sat on. It is faster than the ASR-SLC in many ways. The cornering and ability to stand and hammer, are the only "jump out at you" type improvements, most others are subtle, and if you haven't been on a MTB for a while you might miss them. The ASR-SLC has been, in my opinion, the fastest game in town for a while, so any improvement is just raising the bar. I still think we are only talking a few seconds in a race, but I lost a race by 2 seconds last year, so I cannot discount seconds....

#1 Bike in the Am 6:00

#2 Bike around Noon

3# Some random pic of Dakota Ridge from the internet.
 

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Brilliant write up! I've never had much experience on the alloy ASR so I really like to hear the comparison between the two. The rocky trails can make you pucker a little. I have had a couple of rocks bounce off the downtube and it'll make you shudder, but I'm sure it can handle the abuse.
 

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More ASR-C Porn

I took advantage of our spring storm last night to get the bike ready for my race Sunday. I put on my Olympics instead of the 355 RACE since there won't be much climbing involved. The scale tipped at 21.6lbs, so with the 355's she would end up at 22.2. (The difference from before...the Michelins I just mounted were quite a bit lighter than the older batch on my 355's) I'm excited to get it on the track.
 

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I took advantage of our spring storm last night to get the bike ready for my race Sunday. I put on my Olympics instead of the 355 RACE since there won't be much climbing involved. The scale tipped at 21.6lbs, so with the 355's she would end up at 22.2. (The difference from before...the Michelins I just mounted were quite a bit lighter than the older batch on my 355's) I'm excited to get it on the track.
Until Yeti actually delivers the elusive ASR-c to poor bike-less schleps like me I respectfully request you keep said "porn" to yourself. The suffering is unbearable.
 

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Until Yeti actually delivers the elusive ASR-c to poor bike-less schleps like me I respectfully request you keep said "porn" to yourself. The suffering is unbearable.
Hey there lurker...

I didn't know you were an occasional, non-prolific,"participant" of this company-time-wasting group of misfits... That 575 fit you like a glove!
 

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Where's the snow

Your torture is worse than mine. I have a bike and nowhere to ride it....you have a bike AND somewhere to ride it.... poor Mr. Mention has neither....
 

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used2Bhard said:
Hey there lurker...

I didn't know you were an occasional "participant" of this company-time-wasting group of misfits... That 575 fit you like a glove!
I've been reduced to getting my delivery info through conjecture and rumor so this thread seems as good a place as any. Unfortunatly all I've read is you and Asbury tell each other how pretty the other's bike is. But I'm not bitter.
 
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