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...In the outrage committed on Deer Creek Lodge (aka Powerline).

This is the scene this morning before the ground fully thawed in preparation for, I'm afraid, another days assault.

You can debate all you want regarding penis size vs. trail damage; the pix speak for themselves. BTW, that last isn't Cujo, it's Eddie and he's seriously PO'd about the muck and ruts.
 

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We walked it awhile back to survey. Sad.
 

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I don't get it. Who are you blaming? The trail contractor who did the work? The Forest Service for having the work done? The cyclists who have still been riding in Bent Creek even though it is damp out? Eddie and other dogs for using a trail that should be left to rest? I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the outrage anymore.

Can't anyone think of the trails?
 

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I was out there Sunday morning and it was an absolute zoo. We road from Rice Pinnacle up the road and over to Spencer Gap and Trace Ridge, which were in much better shape then the road. Getting back to Rice Pennacle people and cars where everywhere along with a ranger writing tickets to people who cant read or are unwilling to park at any other location.

Oops, did not proof read.
 

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driftwood said:
I don't get it. Who are you blaming? The trail contractor who did the work? The Forest Service for having the work done? The cyclists who have still been riding in Bent Creek even though it is damp out? Eddie and other dogs for using a trail that should be left to rest? I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the outrage anymore.

Can't anyone think of the trails?
I blame Global Warming and Walmart. And I'm always thinking of the trails.
 

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Maida7 said:
Newly worked trails are much more sensitive.
I agree, but I do wonder for how long they remain sensitive? I mean wasn't the trail in question worked a year or so ago? Many of the BC trails that have been "fixed" in recent years are the ones in the worst condition when any moisture comes along. Much worse than they would fare prior to the work. Look at Wolf Branch, for example. Or the trail this thread is about. They are now in the worst condition they have ever been in. FWIW, I did not ride the powerline trail. It OBVIOUSLY didn't want me there. It was a quick and easy decision to go elsewhere. I didn't need anyone telling me not to. I want a cookie.
 

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I agree, but I do wonder for how long they remain sensitive? I mean wasn't the trail in question worked a year or so ago? Many of the BC trails that have been "fixed" in recent years are the ones in the worst condition when any moisture comes along. Much worse than they would fare prior to the work. Look at Wolf Branch, for example. Or the trail this thread is about. They are now in the worst condition they have ever been in. FWIW, I did not ride the powerline trail. It OBVIOUSLY didn't want me there. It was a quick and easy decision to go elsewhere. I didn't need anyone telling me not to. I want a cookie.
It depends on several factors. Soil, weather, design, traffic, exposure, etc... That trail was all dug up last fall. Perhaps by the end of this summer it will be what they intended it to be.

Soil is a major factor in bent creek. There is some heavy clay in some places. When it hardens it's like a rock but if it gets wet it stays wet. Wet clay, freeze thaw, losta traffic. It will take a looooong dry spell before that trail looks good again.

Have a cookie.
 

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driftwood said:
I don't get it. Who are you blaming? The trail contractor who did the work? The Forest Service for having the work done? The cyclists who have still been riding in Bent Creek even though it is damp out? Eddie and other dogs for using a trail that should be left to rest? I'm having a hard time keeping up with all the outrage anymore.

Can't anyone think of the trails?
Indeed!

I was on foot yesterday but, like another poster, I wouldn't have given much thought to not riding that trail, If I'd had the bike. Another wrote that Wolf Branch was the worst he'd seen it but it was in far better condition than Deer Lodge with just a few muddy spots. Even the double steep up from Wolf Creek bridge, as bare as the hills on DL, wasn't such a mess.

Lower Sidehill shares a similar fate. We need seasonal closings, as done in Brevard Pisgah, on the lower trails to protect them.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." -Pogo
 

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"Getting back people and cars where everywhere along with a ranger righting tickets to people who cant read or are unwilling to park at any other location."

I can't understand what that sentence is trying to convey. Can someone explain anything I might need to know regarding closings, tickets, etc? thanks.
 

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litespeedchick said:
"Getting back people and cars where everywhere along with a ranger righting tickets to people who cant read or are unwilling to park at any other location."

I can't understand what that sentence is trying to convey. Can someone explain anything I might need to know regarding closings, tickets, etc? thanks.
Rangers have been writing citations to morons who feel it is ok to park wherever they see fit, even if it's in the MIDDLE OF THE FREAKIN' ROAD! It's been happening alot lately and the FS is responding. 'Bout time. Just don't park in the road and you'll be fine.
 

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Indeed!

Lower Sidehill shares a similar fate. We need seasonal closings, as done in Brevard Pisgah, on the lower trails to protect them.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." -Pogo
No, we don't. Please don't mention it again. Trails in Brevard are not closed "to protect them". They are closed in an attempt to curb user conflict. Enough of this non-sense!
 

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Since we are giving our wish list.....

I wish pas would go away(as do many). I wish a competent trail advocacy group would form. I wish we had a sorba chapter that didn't call for or cause trails to be closed.

but.....

I wonder how many signatures on a petition or letters to the USFS it would take to get pas pulled? In light of the actions of the last year.......
 
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