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Sorry up front. I should have researched old posts more. I'm 6'-7". Looking to get an affordable steel frame that allows front suspension fork (29er of course). I'm now riding a xxl santacruz hightower cc. Love it, but checking to see if any off the shelf or affordable custom builds work for folks my size. I'm 6-7(250lbs) 52 yrs old. Not doing anything too crazy on trail but do have some fun.
Suggestions?
Thanks!
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Sorry up front. I should have researched old posts more. I'm 6'-7". Looking to get an affordable steel frame that allows front suspension fork (29er of course). I'm now riding a xxl santacruz hightower cc. Love it, but checking to see if any off the shelf or affordable custom builds work for folks my size. I'm 6-7(250lbs) 52 yrs old. Not doing anything too crazy on trail but do have some fun.
Suggestions?
Thanks!
...or aluminum.
Pole taival in XL. I’m 6’7 and it fits great




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Nice. That may just be the one for me. I had looked at Ventana Wolfram as well but definitely leaning towards steel.
Thanks!
Nice. That may just be the one for me. I had looked at Ventana Wolfram as well but definitely leaning towards steel.
Thanks!
Np! Kona honzo or honzo esd would be a good choice too, but IMO the chainstays are too short for guys our size


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Hi, I’m the same height as you and I’ve just built up this cotic Solaris max. This thing is big, now I just need to ride it.
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Surly makes affordable steel frames. On the more expensive but also more aggressive and modern geo a Canfield Nimble 9.
Surly head tubes are stupid shirt for tall guys (yes surly designers, you have your heads pretty far up your as$es on XL sizes) so be prepared for a 3" riser bar.

Nimble 9 looks awesome and has an acceptable stack. Plus Canfield is a great company.

Chumba Stella and Sendero

I wouldn't be to put off by aluminum. Growler has a nice sized ht and so does Ventana.
Surly head tubes are stupid shirt for tall guys (yes surly designers, you have your heads pretty far up your as$es on XL sizes) so be prepared for a 3" riser bar.

Nimble 9 looks awesome and has an acceptable stack. Plus Canfield is a great company.

Chumba Stella and Sendero

I wouldn't be to put off by aluminum. Growler has a nice sized ht and so does Ventana.
Doesn't really matter what the HT length is as stack is measured to the top of the HT. Surly has a short stack for it's XL frame, I would agree.

I read Lee McCormick's book dialed and that has been very helpful for me in setting up previous bike and buying a new frame recently. I'm 6' 4" with a 38" inseam. My BB to top of seat is 34".
Np! Kona honzo or honzo esd would be a good choice too, but IMO the chainstays are too short for guys our size


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I’m not as tall as you guys but hear me out 🙂

I’m around 6 feet. Lanky AF. I have a large steel Honzo and a large Unit (that’s what she said 😝). Both bikes feel massive to me compared to, say, my large Druid (and I like big frames). I have owned a LOT of bikes and those two steel framed Konas feel like long legged giraffes to me.

I have not done any spec studying at all. Zero. I’m just going by feel, relative to other bikes I have owned. They both have adjustable drop outs. I have both slammed for the shortest wheelbase possible. Extended to their max wheelbase position, these bikes would feel even more roomy.

Just offering this with the suspicion that an XL steel Honzo frame, with the dropouts fully extended, may be an option for the OP. The adjustable drop outs are only available on the Kona steel Honzos (including ESDs).
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Doesn't really matter what the HT length is as stack is measured to the top of the HT. Surly has a short stack for it's XL frame, I would agree.

I read Lee McCormick's book dialed and that has been very helpful for me in setting up previous bike and buying a new frame recently. I'm 6' 4" with a 38" inseam. My BB to top of seat is 34".
Then explain to me how you would get a tall stack with a short head tube, other then obviously over forking the bike? Need long head tubes to get tall stacks on bikes with 140mm or less bikes, the two go hand in hand.
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Surly head tubes are stupid shirt for tall guys (yes surly designers, you have your heads pretty far up your as$es on XL sizes) so be prepared for a 3" riser bar.

Nimble 9 looks awesome and has an acceptable stack. Plus Canfield is a great company.

Chumba Stella and Sendero

I wouldn't be to put off by aluminum. Growler has a nice sized ht and so does Ventana.
I rode a friend's Surley XL and felt too short. Love Surly, jist doesn't fit me. Do have a Karate Monkey fork on my Waltworks 29er. Like the Walt just wish I had opted for much longer toptube. (My fault).
Leaning towards Pole Taival or Ventana Wolfram so far. I need that long top tube.
I’m not as tall as you guys but hear me out 🙂

I’m around 6 feet. Lanky AF. I have a large steel Honzo and a large Unit (that’s what she said 😝). Both bikes feel massive to me compared to, say, my large Druid (and I like big frames). I have owned a LOT of bikes and those two steel framed Konas feel like long legged giraffes to me.

I have not done any spec studying at all. Zero. I’m just going by feel, relative to other bikes I have owned. They both have adjustable drop outs. I have both slammed for the shortest wheelbase possible. Extended to their max wheelbase position, these bikes would feel even more roomy.

Just offering this with the suspicion that an XL steel Honzo frame, with the dropouts fully extended, may be an option for the OP. The adjustable drop outs are only available on the Kona steel Honzos (including ESDs).
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Thanks. May try to find an XL Honzo to straddle.
Being in the 6'-7" plus club,
I've thought about what % of off the shelf bikes (any price range) are immediately ruled out when bike searching for a truly proper fit.
I'm guessing 90%+. It took years until I was on a proper sized frame as well that I realized just how tiny most bikes are for me.
Kind of like clothes/shoes/auto shopping.
Then explain to me how you would get a tall stack with a short head tube, other then obviously over forking the bike? Need long head tubes to get tall stacks on bikes with 140mm or less bikes, the two go hand in hand.
Sorry for the late response. Stack height is the combination of the angle of the down tube and the length of the top tube. Within the same frame head tubes get longer as the frame sizes go up to accommodate the the angle changes of the tubes coming together, but between different mfgs. there doesn't seem to be a correlation. For example my Canfield Lithium stack is over a 1/2" bigger than my Ventana but the head tube is 1" shorter. Diameter of the top and down tube and the angles is what dictates how long the head tube needs to be.

This is just my observation, I'm not a frame building expert.
I used to be 6'6" and being all embarrassed, would sometimes lie and say I was 6'5"
Always being taller then everyone else.
Having the pleasures of traveling the world and being in nations where we are literal giants, even my dad and my bro 6.0' and 6'1" as the mom 5'8".
Yes I was embarrassed to be so tall and would lie again and say I was 6'4" when I was really 6'5" confirmed by doc and knowing and retaining that info, shorter whaaaat.
Years went on and I was measured by the doc to be 6'4" and so I dont lie anymore.
Weight, on the other hand "Somewhat active"
LOL

Tall guy steel frame hardtail?
Price Range?
New or used?
New or used, either way it is best to mount it and sit on it and test ride it.
See how it feels
Compare rides, ride multiple rides. You might have to rent, but even then they normally dont stock XXL bicycles do they? I dont know. I rented a bicycle mid range but I needed to find out where I parked my vehicle for the past months. It was still there, right, in front, of, the, bar.

All I know as a tall guy, everything was hard to fit and I wouldnt gamble on buying anything you cant touch and sit on and use.

Custom steel frame for tall guy is an option, but more expensive tooooooo
I believe the 36" wheeled bicycle Shaq rides that he loves it.
Remember, everyone is different, two people could be same height, same weight but different leg and arm lengths. Just like seat saddles, every bums different.
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Time for some hard truths:

I am 6'8" and an eighth of a ton. I will tell you the hardest truth first: There is no such thing as an affordable bike that does not fit. It is the start of a journey that will end in either injury or frustration or most likely both.

People over 6'5" get pretty good at putting up with close enough...airplane seats, clothing, shoes and counter tops. Don't do it with bikes...you will just end up annoyed and will find yourself riding less and less until you don't ride at all.

I have had so many so-called XXL bikes. I have had a 24" Surly Ogre and Kona Honzo in XL. I have tried and broken or tried and hated so many frames that I think back and laugh. I tried to save a penny and ended up paying by the pound, ramming my head in the same wall over and over again, expecting a different outcome.

Then, reluctantly and grudgingly, I ordered a custom frame from someone who knew what they were doing and knew what I needed. I gave him my ideas and he told me why some of them were terrible and some were interesting and some where very doable.

He made the bike I needed. It was the single best cycling money I have ever spent.

No more broken bikes. No more warranty claims. Just a bike that actually fits me, makes me smile and brings me into riding like nothing else.

I have a steel hardtail with T47 bottom bracket, a Fox 36 with a 20mm thru axle, 203mm brake rotors and its amazing.

Save money on the parts, pay for the frame and get it right. It is so worth it!
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Time for some hard truths:

I am 6'8" and an eighth of a ton. I will tell you the hardest truth first: There is no such thing as an affordable bike that does not fit. It is the start of a journey that will end in either injury or frustration or most likely both.

People over 6'5" get pretty good at putting up with close enough...airplane seats, clothing, shoes and counter tops. Don't do it with bikes...you will just end up annoyed and will find yourself riding less and less until you don't ride at all.

I have had so many so-called XXL bikes. I have had a 24" Surly Ogre and Kona Honzo in XL. I have tried and broken or tried and hated so many frames that I think back and laugh. I tried to save a penny and ended up paying by the pound, ramming my head in the same wall over and over again, expecting a different outcome.

Then, reluctantly and grudgingly, I ordered a custom frame from someone who knew what they were doing and knew what I needed. I gave him my ideas and he told me why some of them were terrible and some were interesting and some where very doable.

He made the bike I needed. It was the single best cycling money I have ever spent.

No more broken bikes. No more warranty claims. Just a bike that actually fits me, makes me smile and brings me into riding like nothing else.

I have a steel hardtail with T47 bottom bracket, a Fox 36 with a 20mm thru axle, 203mm brake rotors and its amazing.

Save money on the parts, pay for the frame and get it right. It is so worth it! View attachment 1959583
Good looking bike. I know what you mean...until you get one that fits right its hard to know what you need sometimes. Definitely little to choose from off the shelf when you pass 6'-4".
I think I'm gonna order up a Pole Taival. It should definitely fit the bill if specs are accurate. I don't see riding it super often as compared to my FS which at my age I've grown accustomed to the plush rear and due to a few factors ride mainly seated. Inglis sure does some beautiful builds though.
Thanks!
Time for some hard truths:

I am 6'8" and an eighth of a ton. I will tell you the hardest truth first: There is no such thing as an affordable bike that does not fit. It is the start of a journey that will end in either injury or frustration or most likely both.

People over 6'5" get pretty good at putting up with close enough...airplane seats, clothing, shoes and counter tops. Don't do it with bikes...you will just end up annoyed and will find yourself riding less and less until you don't ride at all.

I have had so many so-called XXL bikes. I have had a 24" Surly Ogre and Kona Honzo in XL. I have tried and broken or tried and hated so many frames that I think back and laugh. I tried to save a penny and ended up paying by the pound, ramming my head in the same wall over and over again, expecting a different outcome.

Then, reluctantly and grudgingly, I ordered a custom frame from someone who knew what they were doing and knew what I needed. I gave him my ideas and he told me why some of them were terrible and some were interesting and some where very doable.

He made the bike I needed. It was the single best cycling money I have ever spent.

No more broken bikes. No more warranty claims. Just a bike that actually fits me, makes me smile and brings me into riding like nothing else.

I have a steel hardtail with T47 bottom bracket, a Fox 36 with a 20mm thru axle, 203mm brake rotors and its amazing.

Save money on the parts, pay for the frame and get it right. It is so worth it! View attachment 1959583
BTW. What is your top tube length?
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Im 6'6". 50 years old. 218. I average 1500 trail miles from April to December. I just bought a Canfield Nimble 9 to compliment my Santa Cruz Hightower XXL (which fits pretty well). The Nimble on paper is big and bigger than most.....and Canfield said with a long stem it would be great....its not. See pics. It is way too small at 503 reach and 650 stack. Surleys are miniature in comparison. 2019 tallboy was tiny. My 2017 Salsa Timberjack was a like a BMX bike. I am currently looking for a used Pole Taival. High stack. Long reach. Anything shorter than 515 reach is too small but the stack has to be closer to 670 to truly
fit my personal tastes.My brother is 6'4". I think its too small for him. fits a 200 mm dropper though.Beautiful bike. Got the frame for sale on Pinkbike with zero miles. Bummer.

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