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Soon to be 55 and very fit; 180-185 lbs before gearing up; primarily a SS’er; strong-ish rider and climber, but a cautious descender on more technical sections/features (have been through multiple injuries and surgeries, and am just over that risk now); tend to be mindful of my lines because of all my HT/SS riding, though I ride them hard; AZ rider

Use Case(s):
- Marathon - 30-40 miles and up
- 12/24-hour solo
Though I do most of the events in these first two categories SS or solo SS, I want the option to give myself a break from time to time with gears and FS.
- Multi-day stage racing
A primary purpose for this bike. I have zero desire to mash a SS up the big climbs of stage races day after day. Examples: Breck Epic, BC Bike Race, Baja Epic, etc
- Vacation riding with big climbing/descents, and/or more tech than I might typically do
Examples: Colorado high country rides (CO Trail) with lots of climbing and long descents, SoCal riding with fire road climbs and singletrack descents, Moab, at some point

Some Initial Requirements:
* ~ 24 lbs all-in, including pedals and cages (prefer 2 cages). Assumes carbon wheels
* Super-efficient pedaler and climber. I have zero problem locking out the suspension on climbs, if necessary. Being a HT/SS rider, this is a KEY requirement, and I am super-sensitive to it.
* Fox Factory SC34 120mm fork
* 100-110mm rear
* Dropper - 125mm is fine
* Budget is flexible, but not break-the-bank and I don’t have “F you money”

Outside of my SS and geared HT (both Pivot LES’), I have an Intense Primer Elite that I have been using for these purposes. I love the bike, and it is fun and comfortable, and I’ve done a 12-hour solo race on it, but the fact is, it’s a high-28 lb bike, and that takes a toll for the use cases mentioned above. Additionally, I simply don’t NEED all that travel (140/130), as I don’t ride that level of chunk/tech. I told myself when I got it that, “This opens the doors to more tech riding!”, but you know what, I ride what I ride, and I’m not going to be changing (much) at this point. Whatever I’m going to ride, I can already ride on my SS; this bike will just make it more fun and comfortable.

I happen to like Intense, and almost got a Sniper Trail when I got the Primer, so I’ve been figuring I want a Sniper. But the issues with the rear end flex have scared me away, and I am now focusing on a Santa Cruz Blur TR, forked up to 120mm. I love Santa Cruz, and have immense respect for their quality.

Anyway, thanks for reading. I appreciate any thoughts and input.




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Given your wish list a Blur is a great option. I guess it depends on what you define F U money since getting a blur down to 24 pounds is $6600-$9500 (using Santa Cruz factory pricing and Sram or Shimano XTR kits). I assume the frame can handle a 120mm fork even though SC only specs 110 & a 120 will slightly slacken the front end probably a good thing.

I'm a similar type rider and I like my Tallboy because I feel VPP rides better previous that single pivot bikes & most XC oriented bikes in sub 26lb weights a single pivot.
You already ride SS so a 1x Blur seems like an easy transition.
 

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We sound like we've got very similar riding profiles. I've been riding mountain bikes for a decade now, but I started out racing road bikes, so I expect light weight, efficiency and a stiff frame. I've been mostly a hardtail rider, with a couple short lived experiences with an Epic (great pedaler, but the stupid shock blew up three times in a year) and a Tallboy (great bike, but squishy and heavy and I ended up riding my hardtail more).

The only reason I haven't bought a Blur TR is that they cost an arm and a leg.
 

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I'm not a super endurance rider, and I haven't ridden a Blur but... I usually have an SS setup, and I use my HT for long trail rides and trials play so I notice flex pretty easily as well. I currently have my HT running a SRAM 1x7 DH cluster which gives me a more trials-friendly gear and I don't spin out.

Anyway, to the point. My experiences with VPP have not been flex free. I have been looking at the new Spot Ryve for some forays into the kind of riding you're talking about. I have the Rollik, and the leaf spring gives back the pedalling energy and is not flexy. (try bending a ruler sideways.) If you're super concerned about flex, I would at least look into that option before pulling the trigger. Also, as far as weight, the Blur isn't the lightest with price-friendly models starting at over 26lbs.
 

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I did not like the new Blur's rear in the unlock mode. Too soft when hammering hard even at 25% sag. I'm only 160 pounds, aggressive XC Cat 1. Thought about getting a 3-position lever fitted, but there were other bikes I liked better so it wasn't worth my time. Other than that the Blur checked many boxes I am seeking.
 

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I like the geometry of the TR. Didn’t care diverge shock tune at all. Way too much wallow. Kind of weird that they tuned the bike the way they did.

Liked the way it handled going down.


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Given your wish list a Blur is a great option. I guess it depends on what you define F U money since getting a blur down to 24 pounds is $6600-$9500 (using Santa Cruz factory pricing and Sram or Shimano XTR kits). I assume the frame can handle a 120mm fork even though SC only specs 110 & a 120 will slightly slacken the front end probably a good thing.

I'm a similar type rider and I like my Tallboy because I feel VPP rides better previous that single pivot bikes & most XC oriented bikes in sub 26lb weights a single pivot.
You already ride SS so a 1x Blur seems like an easy transition.
Yep; it can handle the 120, and I like how it slackens it a bit.

I should add, one of the reasons that the Blur, and Santa Cruz, is attractive to me is that my LBS will give me, A. Decent trade credit for my Primer (I purchased it from them, and they used to be a huge Intense dealer before Intense went consumer-direct), and B. A smoking, below-list deal on the Blur (or any SC, because they are a big SC dealer). So that all helps the math work on a higher-end build, plus I have a very nice Ti SS that I will be selling to fund most of the difference.

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We sound like we've got very similar riding profiles. I've been riding mountain bikes for a decade now, but I started out racing road bikes, so I expect light weight, efficiency and a stiff frame. I've been mostly a hardtail rider, with a couple short lived experiences with an Epic (great pedaler, but the stupid shock blew up three times in a year) and a Tallboy (great bike, but squishy and heavy and I ended up riding my hardtail more).

The only reason I haven't bought a Blur TR is that they cost an arm and a leg.
I had a Tallboy two years ago, before the Primer, and I liked it, but sold it because it felt too squishy and heavy to me - exactly what you cited.

And see my post above about how I plan to mitigate the cost.

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I did not like the new Blur's rear in the unlock mode. Too soft when hammering hard even at 25% sag. I'm only 160 pounds, aggressive XC Cat 1. Thought about getting a 3-position lever fitted, but there were other bikes I liked better so it wasn't worth my time. Other than that the Blur checked many boxes I am seeking.
Interesting, and that is a concern, based on how I ride, and what feel I like. In one of the Blur reviews (Singletrack magazine, IIRC), the reviewer sent his rear shock in to have it converted to a 3-position lever, which I prefer, and which I would consider.

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I like the geometry of the TR. Didn't care diverge shock tune at all. Way too much wallow. Kind of weird that they tuned the bike the way they did.

Liked the way it handled going down.

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Very weird that they would tune it that way. I would consider converting it to a 3-position lever, or possible replacing it with a different shock (if that's an option?).

Good to hear re going down!

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I'm about the same age and size with the same riding profile. I was riding a very ancient (and beloved) Moots hard tail. My body was starting to feel the abuse, after much research I purchased an Blur S build with plans to make it more Blur TR as my funds allow. I love the Blur and am riding faster over much more chunk. I don't think you can go wrong, giving that your shop is taking care of you it sounds like your decision is almost made. Enjoy the ride!
 

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I'm about the same age and size with the same riding profile. I was riding a very ancient (and beloved) Moots hard tail. My body was starting to feel the abuse, after much research I purchased an Blur S build with plans to make it more Blur TR as my funds allow. I love the Blur and am riding faster over much more chunk. I don't think you can go wrong, giving that your shop is taking care of you it sounds like your decision is almost made. Enjoy the ride!
Thanks, man! I've seen some of your posts in another Blur thread(s). And yep, my decision is almost made, but seeing if I'm missing anything!

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Really looks like you have done your research. Not much out there that would do majorly better for what you are looking for in your specific needs and genre. Only other bike that I could potentially see competing would be something like the Scott Spark 900 but really that may be a marginal increase of one thing or another over what you have in the Blur.

At this point it seems like the biggest thing is going to be,
1.) local support for bike maintenance, and
2.) warranty support, for whichever has the longest warranty on frame

Past that you are going to be splitting hairs. Good job and have fun!
 

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OK; just got back from the local shop, where I was able to compare and ride the Blur (regular) with an SB100. I have to say, I'm preferring the SB100. It is VERY solid, and just...fits. The Blur is noticeably more lightweight. I also prefer that the Yeti does not have any suspension remote cables; can't quite figure out what SC was thinking with the dual remotes on the fork and rear on the Blur.

Anyway, not a dealbreaker; just data points. Interested in any thoughts!
 

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Liked the look of the Blur but the cable routing near the bb junction being out in space seemed like it would be a hassle with bottles etc.Tire width was another limiting factor for me with the Blur.

SB100 is nice and hopefully they are sorting out the pivot issues. I was about to get the SB100 and the early reports with the rear put me off as we don't have a dealer anywhere near us.

Take a look at the Scott Spark 900 (not the RC). Went with a Scott Spark 700 (2018 frame) which accommodates 29x2.4" as well as 27.5x2.8. I've been riding it in the middle position most of the time and have it setup 27.5x2.6 and am really liking it. For racing I'd look at slightly lower volume 29 setup on the same bike.
 

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OK; just got back from the local shop, where I was able to compare and ride the Blur (regular) with an SB100. I have to say, I'm preferring the SB100. It is VERY solid, and just...fits. The Blur is noticeably more lightweight. I also prefer that the Yeti does not have any suspension remote cables; can't quite figure out what SC was thinking with the dual remotes on the fork and rear on the Blur.

Anyway, not a dealbreaker; just data points. Interested in any thoughts!
First one I thought of when reading your post was the SB100 but getting it down to 24 lbs might be pretty tough without throwing some F you money at it. Other than that, it seems to tick off everything you're looking for.
 

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First one I thought of when reading your post was the SB100 but getting it down to 24 lbs might be pretty tough without throwing some F you money at it. Other than that, it seems to tick off everything you're looking for.
Yeah, I'm kind of honing in on an SB100, and would settle for 25-ish.

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