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livermore

Discussion Starter · Dec 9, 2021

Have your voice heard. We need to rally if MTB on single track is important to you in East Bay Regional Parks.

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East Bay Trails Survey

Thank you for taking the East Bay Trails Survey. Right now the East Bay Regional Parks District is developing new trail policies and approaches that will shape the way we hike, bike, and enjoy the East Bay trails for years to come. We believe that our members and supporters (you!) can provide...

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Stumprider29

· #2 · Dec 9, 2021

Done. Great survey!

RBoardman

· #3 · Dec 9, 2021

Considering that survey was created by the Sierra Club, I cannot see it having a positive outcome for mountain bikers.

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notthatgood

· #4 · Dec 9, 2021

RBoardman said:
Considering that survey was created by the Sierra Club, I cannot see it having a positive outcome for mountain bikers.

Yes, Sierra Club is clearly fishing for the response / data that mtb-ers generate conflict and lead to other users avoiding trails.

"11) In the past two years, have you avoided recreating on a mixed-use trail in the East Bay due to concern about experiencing a conflict or unpleasant experience with another park user group? (mountain bike user, equestrians, hikers, etc?)"

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Empty_Beer

· #5 · Dec 9, 2021

Fill this out as if you were not a mountain biker. Identify as a hiker or something and express positive input in your experiences with mountain bikers. Don't be too over the top... just make yourself sound reasonable and okay with bikes.

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paintballeerXC

· #6 · Dec 9, 2021

Does no one read the details on these?
"*Please note we are requiring emails to ensure the survey reflects the views of our membership. We will not share, disclose or sell your personal information to any outside party. "

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zorg

· #7 · Dec 10, 2021

The east bay Sierra Club is a bunch of whiny a$$hats.

Cary

· #8 · Dec 10, 2021

Dear Sierra Club,

I would rather cut my nuts off than give you the time of day. You are a disgrace to your founder, John Muir, and like a parasite, continue to suck off his image and vision that you pollute, all to line your own pockets.

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noapathy

· #9 · Dec 10, 2021

paintballeerXC said:
Does no one read the details on these?
"*Please note we are requiring emails to ensure the survey reflects the views of our membership. We will not share, disclose or sell your personal information to any outside party. "

Make another email account?

Cary

· #10 · Dec 10, 2021

noapathy said:
Make another email account?

Why give them any data, skewed or otherwise? The more responses they have, the more important they will seem.

form49b

· #11 · Dec 10, 2021

Cary said:
Why give them any data, skewed or otherwise? The more responses they have, the more important they will seem.

I tend to agree with this, but I'm a Sierra Club member (maybe I shouldn't admit that here

) so I did fill it out. I think it's good for them to know if their own members support MTB.

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Empty_Beer

· #12 · Dec 10, 2021

Link this Sierra Club article in your comments in the survey

Shredding as a Path to Community Development

Boom times for mountain biking means towns are investing in cycling trails

www.sierraclub.org

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Cary

· #13 · Dec 11, 2021

form49b said:
I tend to agree with this, but I'm a Sierra Club member (maybe I shouldn't admit that here ) so I did fill it out. I think it's good for them to know if their own members support MTB.

I think most members are well intended and unaware of the strong anti mountain bike bias the leadership has.

form49b

· #14 · Dec 11, 2021

Cary said:
I think most members are well intended and unaware of the strong anti mountain bike bias the leadership has.

At the national level, they have an agreement with IMBA. It's obviously not everything that mountain bikers would want but I don't think it's a bad agreement. It recognizes the legitimacy of biking in open space and states that there are some places that should be reserved for non-mechanized travel (i.e. no bikes in wilderness - some may disagree with this but I think the main issue was re-designation of land as wilderness, not the concept itself). I think it's the local level where there's a bigger problem. The local chapters on both sides of the bay have used some interesting communication that I don't think is very well thought out. The Loma Prieta chapter sent a letter on e-bikes to Midpen that is just full of misinformation. It's poorly researched and it's difficult to believe it went over well since the person they sent it to wrote the Santa Clara County Parks policy on e-bikes. The east bay chapter has also sent some pretty questionable and amateur stuff.

One of the reasons I joined was to try to start some dialog with them about how they interpret the IMBA agreement locally. My first attempt doesn't seem to have gone far but I still need to follow up and try with some other people.

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Moe Ped

· #15 · Dec 11, 2021

I'd like to throw out that EBRPD sent staff to a recent Santa Cruz Mountain Trail Stewardship (Formerly MBOSC) Trail Crew training session to learn how MTB trails should be built. So there is a move afoot at EBRPD to improve MTB recreation in the lands they manage. About time.

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alexbn921

· #16 · Dec 11, 2021

While I consider myself an environmentalist and support a lot of what the Sierra club does around the country, I've personally interacted with the Bay area chapter and they think we are worst than rapists. They will lie, cheat and steal to block our access to trails. Any method is justified regardless of it's morality.

DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY INFORMATION ABOUT YOURSELF. It only will be used to harm all mountain bikers.

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zorg

· #17 · Dec 11, 2021

Moe Ped said:
I'd like to throw out that EBRPD sent staff to a recent Santa Cruz Mountain Trail Stewardship (Formerly MBOSC) Trail Crew training session to learn how MTB trails should be built. So there is a move afoot at EBRPD to improve MTB recreation in the lands they manage. About time.

With 120,000 acres under management, one would think that the east bay is choke full of awesome trails, yet it is mostly over grade fire roads. 2 issues at EBRPD: an ancient board that either doesn't get it or outright hates cyclists. The district is a massive bureaucracy where everything takes 5x longer than normal to get done. So, I would not my breath though I appreciate any improvement

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