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Our company, Intermap Technologies, will be releasing inexpensive maps you can download to your computer and print on your home printer. We're gathering feedback, and I'm posting on a few forums to ask Colorado recreational maps users to log on, download a few maps, and take a quick survey. These aren't specifically for biking, but for general outdoor use.

If you're interested, log into the following site and use the pointer tool to select quads in Colorado. The prices are set to $0 (free) until Friday, December 19th, for the purposes of the test market. Maps are in PDF format, and be aware that we're having some bug issues with Mac users. Otherwise, there are no catches or ulterior motives- just one follow-up email with a link to the market research survey.

Thanks for helping out! :thumbsup:

Map Store: https://store.accuterra.com

User Name: bcamp

Password: AccuTerra2.0

We will be rolling out paper maps for the rest of the country over the next few months; so if you're not a CO rider, check back at AccuTerra.com for your state. BTW, we do sell digital maps for Magellan devices, and soon to be Bushnell and other GPS manufacturers....

Thanks ~

Josh Parker
Marketing Manager
Intermap Technologies, Inc
 

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Hi guys- are you on Macs, by chance? I just went through the store myself and downloaded the Ft. Collins quad, no problem. (see attached)

If you're on Macs, upgrade your Adobe Reader to the most recent version (which is free) & try that. If you're not on a Mac, also try updating your Adobe Reader. http://get.adobe.com/reader/

The files are big (anywhere from 10MB to 28MB), so they might be crashing an older version. Post here or PM me if you're still running into a wall with viewing the PDFs.

Thanks for bearing with us. The prices will be determined by the market test, by the way. We'll send out a link to a quick survey that asks questions about the product. And we're randomly giving away one loaded Magellan GPS among those who participate in the survey, as a motivator to get people to respond.
 

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Re: Street names- the road data is from U.S government sources, so it's not completely up-to-date. But these are meant to be used for back-county recreation. Companies like MapQuest have teams of people to update road navigation data on a regular basis, but they also collect millions of $ in advertising revenue to keep all that detail relatively up-to-date. So if you need street maps of Lakewood, hit up MapQuest or Google. Our cartography team focuses on updating back-country trail & POI data , which is a daunting enough task with almost 300,000 square miles of National Forest and 130,000 square miles of National Parks. The only companies that are coming close to building that kind of database are companies such as National Geographic and DeLorme, and their software sells for up to $100 for just Colorado.

Re: ignazjr - The detailed quads aren't shown through the Map Viewer because if they were, a customer would be able to screen capture the maps without paying for them. Try selecting a quad from the Google Map viewer by using the Pointer tool on the left, and add the quad from your cart - then just go through the checkout till you get to the download page.The price is set to $0 until this Friday - the participants in the test market will get a survey link later this week, and the market data will be used to determine the price.
 

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I selected 3 maps to download and choose to have them bundled into a single file download but when I opened the zip file it only contained 2 maps.I selected N40W105C4, N40W105C3, and N40W105B3. But N40W105B3 was missing from the concatenated zip file.The order number is BC004275.The confirmation email lists all three maps btw. I can try to get a recreate if you would like.

I did originally select to download them as separate files but changed my mind and used the back button in firefox as I didn't see a back button in the app, then choose to download them as one file.

I also get a "bad encrypt dictionary" error when trying to open the map. I was really out of date on my Acrobat reader and an upgrade fixed that.

One other observation - I would have preferred that the zip file for the concatenated maps did not contain folder information such that they extract into separate folders. I would rather the extract into the same folder. I extracted them onto my desktop and it took a minute to find them since I was looking for PDFs rather than folders. There may be a reason you guys decided to go that route though.
 

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A couple questions:
  • Site does not accept valid emails e.g. [email protected]
  • Maps have same incorrect campsites in white river national forest that other providers give.
  • What makes these better than NG Trails illustrated for areas covered or TOPO Explorer?
  • If you buy the NG or DeLorme software, you can mark up your maps before printing.
  • If you own a Triton you can load NG state or explorer maps & imagery on unit.
  • If you own DeLorme PN series GPS, you can download their maps very cheaply.
  • Do your maps show BLM land boundaries at a useful scale (e.g. staying on public property)?
 

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gps_dr said:
A couple questions:
  • Site does not accept valid emails e.g. [email protected]
  • Maps have same incorrect campsites in white river national forest that other providers give.
  • What makes these better than NG Trails illustrated for areas covered or TOPO Explorer?
  • If you buy the NG or DeLorme software, you can mark up your maps before printing.
  • If you own a Triton you can load NG state or explorer maps & imagery on unit.
  • If you own DeLorme PN series GPS, you can download their maps very cheaply.
  • Do your maps show BLM land boundaries at a useful scale (e.g. staying on public property)?
The IT folks told me that the single-letter domain is tripping up the login, and they're looking into a fix.

As for the other questions, the key is remembering the market that we're trying to hit. Admittedly, sites such as this where hardcore enthusiasts (whether they're cyclists, hunters, kayakers, BC skiers, etc) are probably going to spend the extra time or dough to create their own custom maps, or opt for an expensive GPS unit. But given the narrow scope of the launch test (Colorado), the time frame we'd like to acquire feedback, and the time of year; these sites are a good resource for finding map geeks that are willing to take a critical look.

So it's not surprising to find people here that are used to a "higher-engagement" product, and are willing to spend $50-$100 to buy software or create their own stuff from various sources. Even 'free' maps are an investment - you might be able to download a USGS quad from a GIS server, import it into google, and spend time adding your info into a mashup; or you can spend a buck or so on a ready-to-print quad. Those who know how, and are willing to spend an evening customizing maps, will probably still do that; we're assuming that a majority of more 'casual' outdoor users might be willing to spend a nominal fee to get something better & more quickly than what's currently available for free. And it's already scaled & optimized to print on their home printer. The price will be a lot lower than a quad sheet & contain more information, but may not have the specific information you would get for mtn biking on, say, a Trails Illustrated map....for which you're going to pay $10-$17. Even TopoFusion - a nice site- requires a learning curve and some time to get what you want.

So again, it's more about addressing a broader outdoor market; of which MTBR.com is probably not the ideal target. Most of the comparisons you cited require an investment of at least $50; and up to $600 for a fully-loaded Triton with a NG Colorado data purchase.

In regards to GPS -This product is actually derived from an available data set that was built to run on Magellan devices currently (Tritons & eXplorists), and will soon be launched on Bushnell and Lowrance GPS devices. As a comparison to the NG product, there are a couple of differentiators-
  • it's vector data, which means that the you do not lose resolution at high zoom levels (take a look at NG Topo zoomed all the way in, and it's very pixelated and hard-to-read);
  • AccuTerra offers more regional coverage for less $ (CO-UT-AZ-NM for $60 on Magellan vs $99 for NG Colorado)
  • More POIs embedded in the data - over 1M in the US. We not only include trailheads and facilities, but other important information such as auto repair, bike shops, river access, some restaurants, vet clinics, and yes, liquor stores :thumbsup: .
  • Land Use Boundaries - which of course maintain their delineation on the GPS screen down to the highest zoom (300'), keeping you off private land. The Topo Prints are limited to the 3.5' scale, but with a simple GPS fix from an older unit, or even a GPS-enabled Blackberry, you'll know if you're close to trespassing.

Thanks for all the constructive feedback....

Pabs- you can try logging back into the site (click the "Profile" link in the upper right) and re-download the packet.

Retsin- I sent your issue to IT to diagnose the delivery. You can also try re-downloading through the Profile, if you're willing.

Oh, and if there's campgrounds that are incorrect, it's probably because the incorrect public data was provided from White River NF. We're striving for the most accurate recreational data possible; Our cartography team is actively ingests / cleans up / verifies / fixes old and new information on-the-fly; and some of those changes you'll see in subsequent data releases. Which of course is a huge job in itself - almost 300,000 square miles of National Forest and 130,000 square miles of National Parks, plus BLM, etc, etc; and our team examins trail data on a per-quad basis for accuracy. If we see a need to add data (for example, river put-ins and take-outs) and we can adequately verify the data, we can add that layer. If we know that a trail has been closed because it's lynx habitat, we can remove it from the database quickly. Maps like the USGS quads are basically images, which are expensive to render often....so they're rarely updated.
 

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AccuTerra said:
But given the narrow scope of the launch test (Colorado), the time frame we'd like to acquire feedback, and the time of year; these sites are a good resource for finding map geeks that are willing to take a critical look.
So...you want free QA/QC, IT, and GIS consulting services so you can make a profit? You might want to consider that the map geeks you're attempting to solicit either have resources to acquire maps for free or have already purchased the consumer-level software.

Just my .02
 

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So...you want free QA/QC, IT, and GIS consulting services so you can make a profit? You might want to consider that the map geeks you're attempting to solicit either have resources to acquire maps for free or have already purchased the consumer-level software.

Just my .02
Yes, that target market discrepancy is exactly what I mentioned in paragraph following that statement. Since we're a Colorado-based company, we started with our state; and the timing just happens to be when a lot of casual recreational users aren't thinking about hiking / biking outdoors. A limited test market is the only reasonable way to get the software running in a real, consumer environment, with lots of different configurations. And it also happens to be the best way to determine price sensitivity.

We're not asking for anything else from those participants - if fact, we're going to draw a name from the list of survey participants (who already got a bunch of free maps, which they may or may not use) and give away a map-loaded GPS to someone. If that's not of any interest to you, then don't put yourself through the trouble of trying it & giving feedback.
 

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athalliah said:
So...you want free QA/QC, IT, and GIS consulting services so you can make a profit? You might want to consider that the map geeks you're attempting to solicit either have resources to acquire maps for free or have already purchased the consumer-level software.

Just my .02
There is nothing wrong with asking for BETA testers or free opinion givers. After all, what is MTBR? Nothing but a collection of BETA testers and free opinion givers. You and I included.

MTBR wants to make a profit and solicit user feedback, why shouldn't these guys? If there's a market for their product then more power to them.
 
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