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I've now experimented with Tailwind a couple of times and want to use it for my 100s this year. My first longer race of the year is a 60 miler consisting of 4 laps--no issues dealing with this one, and it should be a great trial run. But, what do you Tailwind-philes do for 1 or 2 lap 100 milers do? I want to skip the camelbak this year. I'm going to do the HC100 again--there are 2 drops, miles 54ish and 78ish. How do you insure adequate fuel? Do you bring a small bag with you and refuel at the neutral aid stations?

Even if you don't plan on using them, do you bring a few blocks as insurance?
 

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You will have to figure out how far the aid stations are and work backwards. 54 miles is a long way for the first drop. You can carry some mix in a ziploc bag and have it ready to mix with water available. It also depends on how many bottles you can reasonably carry. I can carry one bottle on my bike and maybe one in my jersey. If the aid stations are much longer than 2 hours apart then I'll strip the bike and just roll with the camelbak. I also carry a pack of shot blocks or couple small payday bars for insurance.
 

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You will have to figure out how far the aid stations are and work backwards. 54 miles is a long way for the first drop. You can carry some mix in a ziploc bag and have it ready to mix with water available. It also depends on how many bottles you can reasonably carry. I can carry one bottle on my bike and maybe one in my jersey. If the aid stations are much longer than 2 hours apart then I'll strip the bike and just roll with the camelbak. I also carry a pack of shot blocks or couple small payday bars for insurance.
Pro tip: don't use a ziplock. Too messy, too imprecise. If it's windy, you might lose a quarter of your stash. A friend of mine was on a gravel grinder last year, dumped a little too much (well, a lot too much) out of his ziplock, went with it anyway, wound up with stomach distress/semi dehydration/big bonk/DNF.

I went to REI and got a couple of the small nalgene plastic bottles, like 4 oz. One of those holds two bottles worth of powder at my chosen mix.

And... Tailwind is coming out with single serving 2 kcal stickpacks. I don't know how soon those would be ready. But Jenny and Jeff from Tailwind monitor this forum, they may chime in.

My system has always been to have a source of clear water with me, and a bottle in my cage with Tailwind. I do far more self-supported things than big rides with aid stations, so I just carry my camelbak with water. I know that's not what you want. But you could bring as light as possible one, and not ever fill it to capacity...

I agree with Stupendous Man that 54 miles is too far. I guess I'd modify that and say "way too far". I'd be going through 3-4 bottles in that time, depending on difficulty and temperature. And a small bag won't be doing it for you. I'd be bringing 4 or even 5 of my little nalgenes for that. Which you could do in jersey pockets, but your jersey pockets will be pretty busy if you do. And that's assuming you don't need anything but your tailwind.

The one time last season I went without a pack was the Steamboat Stinger. Only a 50, three aid stations per lap (2 laps). I was barely able to keep up with my nutrition/hydration that day. But it was hot and a very strenuous course.

EDIT: in case it isn't obvious, you can quite quickly mix a new bottle from a hydration pack by dumping in the right amount of powder then just pinching the bite valve while you bend slightly forward at the waist. Siphon forces will bring out the water. I have a j.paks Snakpak that I put my nalgenes in so I don't even have to take off the pack. Just stop, pull the bottle from the cage, open the top, dump in powder, hose in the water, cap back on, shake it, go.

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Oh, and I've had a Kate's bar in my snakpak for just in case. I pulled it out the other day and the rattling around had worn a hole in the package. It had been in there for most of last season. I love Kate's bars, and eat them all the time, but when I'm pushing my body and fueling with Tailwind I don't feel like eating solids.
 

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I was thinking more along the lines of one ziploc for each bottle, and you'd dump the whole thing in. But I agree there are much better ways of carrying powder than baggies. Ive been trying to think of ways I can do the Mohican without a camelback, but I keep coming back to "keep it simple stupid". Since it will by my first 100 and Im not gunning for a podium spot, I think Ill just ride with the pack.
 

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I was thinking more along the lines of one ziploc for each bottle, and you'd dump the whole thing in. But I agree there are much better ways of carrying powder than baggies. Ive been trying to think of ways I can do the Mohican without a camelback, but I keep coming back to "keep it simple stupid". Since it will by my first 100 and Im not gunning for a podium spot, I think Ill just ride with the pack.
I have used (clean dry) gel flasks to carry powder. Easy to dump into a bottle. Bulky when empty if you are not willing to leave them behind.
 

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I'm planning on taking 3 bottles for the big loop races (250 calories per bottle); one on the frame, one in a cage mounted on the seatpost, and one in a pocket. I'll give the 2 servings of mix in a 4oz Nalgene a trial run soon. If that leaves me feeling there is an inadequate bonk safety buffer, I'll have to give one of the new 70oz lumbar packs a go.
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I'm planning on taking 3 bottles for the big loop races (250 calories per bottle); one on the frame, one in a cage mounted on the seatpost, and one in a pocket. I'll give the 2 servings of mix in a 4oz Nalgene a trial run soon. If that leaves me feeling there is an inadequate bonk safety buffer, I'll have to give one of the new 70oz lumbar packs a go.
Thanks for your comments!
I would start with half that amount of calories per bottle (125).
 

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I'm planning on taking 3 bottles for the big loop races (250 calories per bottle); one on the frame, one in a cage mounted on the seatpost, and one in a pocket. I'll give the 2 servings of mix in a 4oz Nalgene a trial run soon. If that leaves me feeling there is an inadequate bonk safety buffer, I'll have to give one of the new 70oz lumbar packs a go.
Thanks for your comments!
Seat post mounted water bottle. Great call for big separation aid stations if you dislike packs.

In these instances, I also use the trick of "nursing" my way through a liter bottle with about 350 calories during the two hours before the start of a 100. I like this approach a lot, especially since my stomach doesn't always great breakfast enthusiastically at 4:30 AM.
 

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I use ziplock bags even in windy conditions but they are the snack sized bags(half a sandwich bag) and I only put one bottles worth into each bag that way you just dump the whole thing and go.
THIS ^^^
I also carry 3 bottles, two on bike, one in jersey...should get me 3 hours depending on conditions.

and I'm digging the non-flavored tailwind currently...
 

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I used Tailwind for the Cohutta 100 this year. It proved well for hydration, sodium, and keeping the cramps away. I used a little over 2 scoops per bottle and had a bottle an hour. Around the 4 hour mark I started getting hungry though. Just keep in mind to maybe snack on a little food as well throughout the race. Tailwind is good, but for me I realized I needed food as well.


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Same for me. I've done every imaginable serving scenario with Tailwind or an Ultima Replenisher with maltodextrin and/or salt combo and/or protein (Ultima seems to be like Tailwind with a splash of sea salt but costs a whole lot less??) to the point of keeping bloating or GI issues away but I simply need a bit more food. Just a titch.

I used Tailwind for the Cohutta 100 this year. It proved well for hydration, sodium, and keeping the cramps away. I used a little over 2 scoops per bottle and had a bottle an hour. Around the 4 hour mark I started getting hungry though. Just keep in mind to maybe snack on a little food as well throughout the race. Tailwind is good, but for me I realized I needed food as well.

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I use film canisters. Holds just enough of another brand for a single bottle.
A readily available alternative is one of those little plastic tubes that airborne, nuun, or other tablets come in. The other option I've used is a small prescription meds bottle with the label removed, but these are a little harder to operate with one hand.
 

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I'm putting 2 scoops in 28oz bottles and finding I still need to supplement when on 4-5 hr rides -- 1/2 a Cliff bar every 2 hrs.
Any thoughts about if this is counter-productive? Would it be better to up my TW/water ratio?
I guess this is simply a YMMV issue.
 
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